There is a lot of debate over what the best jet in the world is. I am going to leave this one up to you guys to decide. The f-22 Raptor is stealthy and fast and is a great technologically advanced Fighter, while the F-15C has the best combat record out of any Fighter in the world. All of the jets are great fighters for different reasons. What do you think the best Jet in the world is?
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the raptor is sooooooooo cool its got stealth, fire power, handling and speed. the only downside is that the f-22 as its that the machine can take control.
Posted on September 28th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
what really determines the best, you know? Really, the f-35 is stealthy as well, and it has VSTOL, which allows it to operate on a much more up close and personal role. F-22 for deep strikes and aerial dominance, F-35 for air-support and immediate strike priorities all the way.
Posted on September 29th, 2007 at 2:17 am
The US has plenty of weird weapons at their dispossal,(thank God) the Axis will try to match if not make better weapons, The US needs to stop too much transparency with it’s advanced Future weapons programs and plans. Keep the info deep in area 51 and make up more crap! Stop the axis from knowing what the we know because if these guys take control, the things that you and I take for granted will be nothing but a faded memory and blame because we made a mistake, we showed them what we’ve got. Poker
Posted on October 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Where are soem of the other fighter jets? I know im british but i know theres alot more other great fighters around the world harrior, Tornado, and not forgetting the Eurofighter Typhoon, Sukhoi47-Berkut is another one……….
Posted on October 19th, 2007 at 9:22 am
in your poll of the best planes in the world, you oitted the MiG 35/1.42 from consideration. It is claimed by the Russians that their plane is in fact superior to the F-22. An analysis of the two would be interesting
Posted on November 15th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Well I think that F-22 is the best fighter jet in the world but china is also making a simler jet j xx and it might be batter then F-22
Posted on December 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
the stealth characteristics of the F-35 makes iy difficult to utilize certain weapon systems eg Israeli python 5 or air to ground smart missiles like the popeye lite. This would limit the choice to the Su-37 or F-22. Little to choose from. I would have liked to see the Mig-35 included in the poll, then there would be no difficulty making the choice.
Posted on December 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
I’d definitely have to say the F-35 for this one. It’s just plain awesome. And yeah, I can’t wait for the J-12 (J-XX).
Posted on January 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
China? I don’t mean to belittle the guys, but they can’t even make a decent jet engine. Did you notice they are using Russian one’s in the J-10’s that actually fly? Making a plane look nice and claiming capabilities is one thing… but they are still technologically decades behind Europe let alone the US.
Posted on February 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 am
Which do you think is better? The F-22 has stealth features (not completely stealth) and the Su-37 has super-maunverability on it’s side (front canards+thrust vectoring). No doubt if there was no stealth and it was an actual dog fight, the Su-37 would undoubtly win. But how effective the F-22’s stealth is not completely verified. IMO, i would say that the Su-37 ‘Terminator’ is better, as it has supermanuverability (it can perform the world-reknowned kulbit, which is basically doing a somersault within it’s own length). If we knew more about how effective the stealth is on the F-22, i might sway my decision, but at least for the time being, i say the Su-37 is better. What’s your take on this?
Posted on March 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
The F 22 is just as maunverable as the Su 37. http://youtube.com/watch?v=PyKYw_p1Hrc watch this video. I would like to know if the Su 37 could make a 180 degree turn in 3 seconds like the raptor did.
Posted on March 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I love f-22 raptor
Posted on March 25th, 2008 at 2:05 am
None of those ! The best is the french “Rafale”!
Posted on April 6th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Why is there even a poll with the aformentioned aircraft? There should be a poll about which aircraft is the 2nd best in the world.
The F-22 is lightyears ahead of any aircraft.
1 – It has the highest degree of thrust vectoring along the “Y” axis. Thus giving it an edge in a turning fight. It can also perfom just about any airshow maneuver.
2 – It possesses the most advanced avionics system in the world.
3 – It has the most powerful jet engines in a warplane, thus providing it with superior acceleration.
4 – It has ZERO wing loading when in wartime operation. IE – Low drag
5 – It stores it weapons internally. IE – Stealthy and Low drag
6 – It’s a next generation US Stealth warplane.
7 – The plane costs more then any other fighter in the world. Money means capabilities in a dogfighter.
8 – It’s driven by the USAF. Enough said.
9 – The F-22 is not a concept aircraft. It’s fully operational. NOW.
Posted on April 19th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I admit that I had concerns if the F 22 could maneuver as well as the SU 37. That is until I saw the Raptor youtube video named “F-22 RAPTOR DEBUT presented by Leo Mann”. The raptor in the video pulled an unbelievable 180 degree turn in like 3 seconds. Here’s the link(http://youtube.com/watch?v=PyKYw_p1Hrc). Lets just say that I’m no longer concerned.
Posted on April 24th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
The F 22 is the class of fighters. It’s not even close. It’s the most advanced jet in the world and can maneuver with any fighter. And we only know a fraction of the full capability. Which is good because the Russians would love to get as much info as they can. They put forward a challenge between the Raptor and the SU 37, which was nothing but a front to see as much of what the raptor can do to try and design a jet the beat it. Just like they designed the SU 27 the beat the F 15. And when we don’t fall for there bull they try to make it seem as if we were afraid or something. I’ll say one thing about the Russians, they sure have a good poker face.
Posted on April 24th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
As far as U.S. defence knows, the F-22 is the best fighter in the world. It can sneak attack, and even if it is found, it can out-maneuver anything in the sky.
Except the Su-37 Super Flanker, which has 360 degree thrust vectoring, and GIANT air to air missiles the size of Harpoon Anti Shippers. If some Cold War rumors are true, the Su-37 could produce a plasma bubble, dense enough to absord radar, hot enough to burn air. If the Su-37 can do this, it will be able to go to mach 3, and have stealth.
I have been reviewing your opinions and most of you are informed badly. Generally spoken you can say that the Americans have superior technology and that the Russians build better planes. I heard that the Russians dared the Americans to combat their Su-47. The Americans never responded. That pretty much sums it up. It’s pretty sad seeing the Americans spend billions of dollars in Research & Development in order to develop their cloaking devices and that a student at a Technical University finds a relatively simple way to counteract the stealth technology. To make it short the Russians will use 100% anti-stealth radars and the Su-47 is the best and most manouverable fighter ever build.
Posted on April 28th, 2008 at 5:15 am
THIS IS WHY RUSSIAN JETS ARE BETTER
READ POST ABOVE
Posted on April 28th, 2008 at 5:16 am
joe H
The SU 37 does have 360 degree thrust vectoring. But the nozzles on the F 22 move faster and have a higher degree of movement. Plus how well does this plasma stealth work? I have been asking if any of the Russian fighters can turn like this raptor did in this video between 00:09 to 00:12 seconds at that speed. http://youtube.com/watch?v=PyKYw_p1Hrc We know that they can do it at extremely slow speeds. Like I said before, they put forth that challenge to learn as much as they can about the raptor. Judging by that turn, the F 22 can maneuver with anything.
Posted on April 28th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
well, F-117 was also stelt and fall down in Serbia against old systems.
If you didn’t noticed that Su-37 can do 360 turn then you should try to find on YouTube video with that.
Posted on April 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Gisse
I never siad the SU 37 couldn’t do it. It does it in a lot of video’s at very slow speeds. I just want to know if it can it at combat speeds like the raptor did.
Posted on April 29th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
“joe H
THIS IS WHY RUSSIAN JETS ARE BETTER
READ POST ABOVE”
Stealth is only a fraction of the cost of the F 22.
Posted on April 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
China will eventually steal the technology from
the west just read the Cox report on stolen US tech
Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
The people who consider chinas and russian aircrafts to be the best in the world are just a group of ignorants with low IQ
The F-22 makes the SU-37 a big pile of junk in the air,No one can satnd the power of this airplane,no one
Russsians will have to suck it very hard to U.S
Posted on May 19th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Of course the Chinese will steal it, just read my article on the “newest armor of china”
Posted on May 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
i didn’t see the rafale ,french fighter jet
it is for me the best fighter jet after the f 22
Posted on June 6th, 2008 at 4:23 am
The f-22, f-35, eurofighter, rafael, and their Russian conterparts have not been proven in combat. The f-15 has! The only thing the others got, is who has th best radar. Let me know if a f-22 or any of the others have ev en come within visuale range of an opposing aircraft. I consider the best fighter as one that can win in a in close dogfight, not who has the most tech.
Posted on June 19th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Well Said. I was waiting for someone to come out in defense of the combat proven F-15. Some people may say it doesn’t belong on this list, but it does have the best combat record out of any modern fighter.
Posted on June 19th, 2008 at 5:32 am
su37 has a good aerodynamic, that mean a great capacity of maneuver.
Posted on June 25th, 2008 at 2:01 am
You can’t beat stealth! To those that say that the F-22 isn’t 100% stealth, even if it’s 80% stealth, nobody in the world can currently match it on maneuverability and being the least detectable on radar!
Posted on June 27th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Uh?
Where is Rafale?
Posted on July 5th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
In dogfight exercises, the Rafale outflies F-15, F-16 and F-18 opponents, and in technical and performance evaluations, we have systematically won against the F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon.” Col. F.Moussez (CEAM)
Posted on July 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
I see everyone is facinated with the f-22 stealth capabilities but in orther to usit to it advantage the f-22 needs to stores it weapons internally. remember the airplene was built with stealth capavilities not the armament that can carry on four hardpoints on the wings, each rated to carry 2,270kg, if you see all publicity pictures don,t show the pilons why becouse this will compromise it’s stealth. the f-22 was build as direct result of scenarios where they proof that the su-37 can beat any airplane in our inventory so as result whe build the f-22. I will say they are both magnificent air planes and a testament to both nations. and don’t forget the su-37 is a multi role and the f-22 is a figther in order to become multy roll it must compromise it’s talent and trust me in a dogfigth stealt don’t matter is the pilot experience what count’s. there are examples in history like the mig -21 better aircraft than the mirage 2000 and israely pilots out perform the mig’s I will say time will tell. the Rafale is a good airplane but with all due respect Col Moussez the delta wing desing adopted by french figther has proof to be a doble edge sword in the hand of a good pilot can be use to it avantage as you know in a turn you will lose a lot speed an in that time if the other pilot know this and his airplane has a tigther turn radio you are done so again it’s depend’s on the pilot. but afact that not everyone knows is that The Rafale carries, for the first time in aviation history, an integrated electronic survival system named SPECTRA which features a software-based virtual stealth technology. The most important sensor is the Thales RBE2 passive electronically scanned multi-mode radar. So Brian as you see the f-22 is not the only one able to fool a radar. Joe.h for your information the SU.47 (berkut) ther was only one built and test and the concept of inverted swep wings is not knew we did that with the x-31 and also have trust vectoring and flew in 1990 and the berkut su-47 in 2000 but that other story. ATT SGT Moralesandino,eugenio USA.
Posted on July 25th, 2008 at 2:53 am
the conclusion is like below
1.su 47 berkut=eurofighter typhoon
2.f 22 raptor=su 37 terminator.
3.f 35=su 35 super flanker
4.f 18 super hornet= su 30 mki/mkm super flanker
5.f 16= gripen
the final conclusion.
Posted on July 28th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
IMHO the F-22 fighter is the best of all by far,it can bring down a SU-37 from long distances without even noticed.
Even if the F-22 is found by the old,slow tech SU-37 (Higly doubtful),the F-22 will out-manevuer and destroy it instantly,like playing a vodegame,one shot one kill.
Rmember that the F-22 is the only 5th generation fighter of all,actally deplyed fighters and on papers.
The berkrut is joke BTW
Posted on August 2nd, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Recently , the USAF invited some Rafale F2s to do some advanced dogfighting against some F-16s Blk 52 .
It was a one v one confrontation repeated multiple times . The drill did last 3 days . The French and the Americans pilots had to find each other in a big portion of sky (100×100 km/square), then close in and go dogfighting .
The French Airforce only released the results of the first day :
6-2 in favor of the Rafale .
It has been on the French news on the main TV channel TF1 .
Video :
http://videos.tf1.fr/video/news/0,,3931177,00-contre-rafale-vrai-faux-combat-.html
Quick translation of the video (the good bits):
French pilot : ” we ‘re going to separate in the zone and then try to find each other , one Rafale and one F-16 , then go do WVR . We feel that the USAF is very curious about the Rafale and we think that they know what they are up against , so I think that we ‘re going to bluff them ”
Second French Pilot talk :
” It went well , the F-16s were very cool to fight against and we managed to shootdown them from time to time , it was good ”
Commentator :
“The Americans admit that they have been impressed by the French fighter ”
The USAF pilot :
” The Rafale is an aircraft with unique capabilities which can be flown in a very aggressive manner , more than the F-16 . But you know , the most important is the capabilities of the pilot (!)”
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I think that sums up a lot , BUT I remind you that the Rafale pilots are not allowed to use active jamming during drills with Allies (SPECTRA and OSF have only been used to find the opponent).
It also shows that the APG-68(v9) radar (with a quoted range of 300km )doesn ‘t give an adge to the Falcon against the PESA RBE2 and the “discret” RCS of the Rafale .
It also shows that MICA is a very good dogfighting missile and does its job and it also shows that Rafale is more manoeuvrable than the F-16 Blk52 (which is the best dogfighther that the USAF has) .
I dare to say that if SPECTRA was used to its full extent (active jamming), the result would have been 6-0 .
Posted on August 5th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
US fighter are good for sale.
Russian fighters are good for fight.
Posted on August 14th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Why do Brits always think the Harrier is so great. A family friend of ours is a retired Marine Harrier pilot. Let’s be clear, the Harrier was a useful plane in its time, but it was never a true air superiority fighter. It is now hopelessly outdated, especially since the US is replacing it with the VSTOL version of the JSF.
The amount of nationalistic bias and ignorance on this subject amazes me.
The F22 is handsdown better than anything else. The Eurofighter is amazing, but simply can’t compete with the F22’s better speed, manuevarability, and lower radar observability.
The Russian fighters are absolutely amazing when it comes to manueverability and speed(especially the SU-48, only 1 ever made) but they lack the avionics, stealth, and good composite materials the Americans and Euros have. Manueverability in a fighter just doesn’t cut it if you are seen on radar 100 miles away, and you have no indication of the stealth bird that is about to blow you out of the sky.
Posted on August 22nd, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Remember when we started Operation Iraqi Freedom-
The Russians said they sold GPS jamming devices to Iraq and US bombs will be useless? Bullcrap! “Russian Technology” lol, Thats like saying “Mexican Luxury Car”
The Russians always said the T-80 would destroy the M1A1 on the battlefield.. What happened?
The same thing would happen if Russia could even afford to make more than the 10 SU-35 that they have. The F-22 would destroy it, I bet the F-18 sh would probably win in the dogfight.
We already proved how superior US technology was-
The only thing I worry about is numbers.. although, We have Swarm missle technology for that
Posted on August 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
This is fascinating. I love these high tech fighter planes. I was amazed at the 180 3 second turn the F-22 displayed. The Sukhois are beautiful looking machines.
Posted on August 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Okey, this is stupid. ever aircraft got its own “main purpose”. and those who think we still live in the 50s please stand up!
Id say that the F22 is the absolute best for the USAF, since their main propose would be to defend their ground troops, bomb ground targets, fight non 4th gen aircrafts and to avoid getting shot down by old sam missiles witch any 3d world country could obtain.
I rly cant say how the F22 would do agenst a SU37 or how fast an X winged plane could do a 360 and what that would do for good in a dog fight, but i actually doubt most fights would come to a pure “dogfight” nowdays since most 4th gen aircrafts got state of the art radars (who could detect any F22) from miles away, (sorry guys)
The gadgets witch will dominate are the networking between the aircrafts, and or whit any ground unit.
Say for an example that US invades Sweden whit a modest assult force. (for some reson that i dont know).
A ground unit spots 2x F22, sends the info to a nearby road witch got an underground hangar for 2x Jas 39 gryphon, they got the targets, takes off from an deserted road somewhare in the deep woods, (now they have already locked on to the targets) its just to intercept and fire the bvraam (witch are being developed for the Jas). But still, the Jas is only as good as its enviroment, as are the F22. 4th gen vs 4th gen will result in heavy losses for both sides. And to think that the stealth will save the F22 in a conflict whit an advanced enemy are plain stupid. if US developes stealth, russia will develop a radar that will unstealth them.
I think Jas 39 Gryphon are the nr1 figher jet for defending small countries. (as it was built for)
Due to:
the Stol capability.
the great Maintenense vs flighthours.
the cost vs perfomence
the soon to come bvraam.
the new state of the art radar and networking systems.
the size of the plain witch gives it about the same “stealth” as an F35.
the new engine that will come whit the “Super Gryphon” (whit larger fuel tanks)
and lets not forget, the state of the art avionics that makes the airplane extremly easy to manover, that lets the pilot put their focus whare it belongs.
But then agen, it can never compete whit an F22 or the F15 when its about the best offensive aircraft, Jas are meant for defence. (even tought that they are trying to change it in to a more assult friendly aircraft to improve its chanses of exports)
And a pure guess, i do think that the Gryphon would kick the living crap out of the F22s if engaged in a cannon, and sraam only dogfight.
And for the love of good ppl. you cant just look at the angle of a turn, or how fast it can turn 180 degrees, at airshows these airplanes are flying at minimum speed to make it look good, the airplane it self could surely manage it in higher speed but the pilot wouldnt. so its just stupid to messure an airplain from an airshow.
Good damn. even a spitfire could do a decent 360.
that sure as hell dosnt mean that it would outmanuver an F22.
And my english suck atm, im haft drunk tbh
Posted on September 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
well i think the f22 will kick the othe plins ass like it did to mine
Posted on October 24th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
f22 is the best fidhter plane in the world.. jojo frm philippines
Posted on October 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on October 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I think this is an interesting topic but it seems most people really haven’t checked up on the capabilities of the aircraft they champion compared to other aircrafts. The Typhoon is an excellent aircraft as well as the Rafale and others but to compare them to a Raptor is really not worth doing. The Raptor has the tightest turn radius of any fighter aircraft and the most powerful radar as well as thrust to weight ratio but that is not what makes it more dominant. That would only make it an air superiority fighter and that is not what a Raptor is. The Raptor is an air supremacy fighter which means it was designed to dominate the skies in any theatre, in any climate. In operation Northern Edge (an exercise in Alaska) it flew against F15’s, F16’s, and F18’s and it completely dominated them. I believe the kill ratio the Raptor racked up was 114 to no losses. In it’s first debut at Red Flag, I believe it racked up 200 kills to no losses and this was flying against not only US pilots but against Australian, Canadian, British, and other NATO pilots in assorted aircraft. For exact numbers, one can google Northern Edge or Raptors in Red Flag or something similiar. An Australian pilot expressed his frustration at not being able to get any kind of lock (radar or IR) on a Raptor even though he had eyes on the aircraft. The aircraft’s systems prevent you from getting a lock on it. This year’s Red Flag is suppossed to have British Typhoons for the first time and I believe the Indian Air Force were also invited to bring their Sukhoi’s. It’ll be interesting to see how well they do. In the end, pilot skills do have a lot to do with air to air engagements and all NATO pilots are similiarly trained and cross train with each other but this aircraft gives such an advantage that it is a scary proposition for any plot to have to fly up against anyone piloting a Raptor. As far as anti stealth radar is concerned, it is a myth. If such an animal exists, it is not radar but works on some other principle. If anyone has any information one this, I would be interested to know about it.
Posted on October 29th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
with out a doubt, f22 is the best fighter plane in the 21st century.. russia and china is suck……….. f22 can kill 6 su 37 in 1 min.. thats cool
Posted on November 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
congrats barrack obama being the next president of the usa
Posted on November 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Its interesting to note that most comments here are emotional and not logical.i have on quite a no. of ocassions listened to fighter pilots and technological advances not underestimated,they say that up in the air its the pilot that matters most.i would love to hear from someone who has technical expertise on both the su-37,and the f-22.
thanks.
Posted on November 6th, 2008 at 10:27 am
the eurofigther is the best because it flone by the raf the best air forece in the world which is part of the best miltury in the world the british the eurofighter is wow and i work with this thing and trust me it amazing
Posted on November 26th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
lets face it any plane flone by and amaricans is pants cos it can only hit frendly and not the right target the best plane of all time is the spitfighter and no1 can argu with that
Posted on November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
the spitfire is a true hero no doubt about that.and the f22 looks awsoms like i always loved the harrier and the f15 tomcat.
cant beleive the euro fighter was so far down the chain.
who can beleive russia isnt a shity country after all lmao look foward to seeing the f22 fighting their f35 lmao wont be long now
Posted on December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
JSF and raptor respectively, followed by a long list of 4+ gen fighters.
Posted on January 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
jf 7 and f 16 fighting faclon arte among the best for sure
Posted on January 20th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
F-15 is the most successful aircraft (most kills) – proven fact – period;
F-22 maybe has the best “hi-tech” stuff but it did not have the opportunity to prove itself (unlike F-15), besides, too much electronics means increased chance of its failure and BAM! you’ve just crashed $137 million.
Russian Su or MiG planes cost less than F-22, they have impressive performances: good maneuverability along with decent speed. The fact is that Russian best arsenal is not known to public – while America proudly boasts with their “war toys”, who knows what is the best that “motherland” can offer?!…
Eurofighter Typhoon is awesome plane – even American pilots who flew it said that performances of this aircraft is excellent. It also has PIRATE (Passive Infra-Red Airborne Track Equipment) system – pilot can target enemy aircraft using helmet mounted display – a great advantage in combat if I may add.
Last but not least: it’s the human factor that everyone is underestimating – planes do not fly by themselves and abilities of the pilots can turn the tide of the battle.
As Chuck Yeager once pointed out “An experienced pilot in a P-51 can shoot down a rookie in an F-4, in a dogfight.”
btw my favorite airplane is SR-71 Blackbird – it’s not a fighter airplane but it can outrun every airplane mentioned
in this discussion
Posted on January 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 am
I echo the “this is an emotional debate” comment. I have not seen the list offered but I can imagine it’s interesting. Reality check, training and using what you have for it’s best features will make the difference, not the toys. The air force that learns what it’s aircraft can do best, and uses it accordingly, will win.
What we know of (perhaps 10 percent) of the Raptor’s caipability has been done to death by other countries decades before. Supercruise has been around since the BAC Lightening, the data link control networks, Mig 31, Stealth, F-117. The F-22 is the best compromise of all the best tech available to create a single purpose machine, the air dominance fighter and it is impressive. However, how many are going to be built and put in front line service, and of those numbers, how many will be available at any one time? The F-22’s weakness is and will be numbers available. So specific tactics will be developed to counter this weakness and she’ll be sensibly employed in a layered defense network and used spareingly. You’ll never see the Raptor gain the same kind of history the Eagle did, simple becasue of this limit.
That being said, the various other aircraft available will play their games to suit their best attributes. If it’s speed, they will use speed. If it’s gizmos that can see in the dark, so be it. What ever it will be, will be. If I were a betting man, I’d say the opponents of the F-22 will field electro-optically guided weapons that run cold, silent and have a hell of a bang to reach out and touch the Raptor. If you don’t think the Russians are already on measures to defeat the Raptor, guess again. These guys are not stupid, just different. The Russian approach to aircraft is such that to this day, we can still see varients of the classic Mig 21 in the air. Who still flies a Western contemporary? And if the Raptor manages a 20 to one kill ratio, that’s great, unless your opponent fields 21 aircraft. WW2 saw the Nazies having the best ships, subs, jet aircraft, and superior tanks, but they were brought down by simple numerical superiority. (see note above about the Raptor’s weakness)
In a recient video I saw of a US Airforce officer debriefing after a joint Indian US exercise, he made several comments about the Indian Super Flanker verses the Raptor and in a few instances he commented how good, but not good enough the Super Flanker was, but with more experience the Indian pilots would learn how to use their aircraft better against a specific threat like the F-22. He conceeded it could be done, but with much different tactics. Don’t fly a Flanker into a Raptor’s fight. WW2 again, the Zero was the most manuverable aircraft out there, but the US Navy trained their pilots not to dogfight: zip in, single pass and hammer the Zero with the 50’s and run away. Game over. The AirForce officer made one very interesting comment, that the Raptors had trouble with the Indian Bisons, an updated Mig 21. The small size and upgraded avionics made the Bison a very serious battle field threat to the Raptor. He didn’t get into much more detail, but the commet was very telling indeed when you consider this debate.
Posted on January 28th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
merkava!…hahah! The Best of the Best is always German and Russian when it comes to armour.
Posted on January 31st, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Considering that the russians are so obsessed with using missles to fight wars instead of planes, (eg icbm vs B-52, B1-B and B-2 etc.) they wuoldent (aw fuck i cant remember how to spell that shit!!!) have the expirence in makeing a bomber escort fighter, which is what the f22s would be used for in the event of WW3!!!!! the PROTOTYPE su-47s boast 360 radar, dumbasses. havent they ever heard of AWAKS! (which can sit 1000s of miles away and tell the f22 and any other us plane, in encripted data, where all the russian shit is! POINT, STOP TALKING SHIT ALBOUT THE RAPTOR!!! IT WILL RAPE YOU!!! AND NO, U CANT SEE IT… dumbasses
Posted on February 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pm
O and there beter trained to! dont get a big dick!!!!!
Posted on February 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Indian jet fighters are not to be counted out boys
watch out for the new super power s toys in this century
Posted on February 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
The downfall of the F22 will be the cost. As world economys decline we will see cuts in the USA military funding and along with it WILL be the F22 program. I feel sorry for the USN who has retired everything except the crappy F18 line of aircraft which is outclassed by every new modern fighter aircraft. Stealth is not going to make the F22 top dog for long. The F22 will eventually be overwhelmed by the sheer weight of numbers of foreign aircraft and the USA’s inability to manufacturer the F22 in sufficiant numbers to match the future threats will play a big role.
Posted on February 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Don’t underestimate your enemy. The Russians have quite an arsenal of modern weapons and they are notorious for not revealing their trump cards. We have not gone up against Russian pilots – yet. Two British agents a few years back reported that Russia is secretly, at the expense of their domestic spending, massively producing Fighters and military equipment – for what??, our intel refused to believe them. They were in space before us and they are not dumb. Over 50% of all scientific advancements and discoveries are from the Russians – World Almanac. Sun-Tzu’s art of war is what they breath and study – deception. So lets hope we have the best and the most but never underestimate your enemy or you will pay the price of a foolish pride and a prideful ignorance.
Posted on April 1st, 2009 at 4:07 pm
really speaking,i do not know a thing about the f-22 air craft now, other than that it is the best fighter plane,that is according to the majority around the world. i really hope that you will pass the infor mation that you know about it and other air crafts to me by mailing those valuable info to my e-mail address which is given below. i hope i can be friends whit who ever intrested in the same field as i am in . and i am happy to have them as my friends…………………………..
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Posted on April 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
i don’t know whether it’s fair to say that china will “steal” the technology from the west. There is no concrete proof that they did. Even if they did could the west claim that they themselves have never stolen any technology? Strictly speaking gunpowder, cannon, missiles were invented by the chinese 1200+ years ago and “stolen” by others.
Posted on April 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
BLACKWATER GUYIES WERE MAKING 250TH A YEAR FOR A 1 YEAR CONTRACT, WHERE THEY WERE SECOND HAND TO THE MILITARY, AND NETWORKER PERSONNEL FOR CILIVAN CONTRACTORS WERE MAKING BETWEEN 150 TO 200 TH A YEAR FOR A JOB ,THAT HERE WOULD PAY MAY 50TH IF LUCKY. WHICH IS WHY ALOT OF MY FRIENDS IN THE MILITARY WANT TO GET INTO GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING, BECAUSE THEY GET ALOT OF MONEY FOR JOBS BACK HERE DONT MAKE SPIT, FOR MONEY. SO GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE CONTACTING IN IRAQ IS WHERE MILLIONS APONE MILLIONS IF NOT A BILLION IS SPEND.
Posted on April 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
i think the best fighter plane in the world is yf-19 & vf-19.
Posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 am
yf-19&vf-19 is the best fighter plane in the world.
Posted on May 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 am
The problem with this argument is transparency. We’ve seen the Mig 35 in action. Let’s be honest, it’s an F-22. The J-10’s are still a bit of a mystery, but what we’ve seen is that they are really on par with the Mig 19, very far behind. The J-12 cannot have advanced rapidly enough to be considered here. We really don’t know all that much about Russian or Chinese ability. They aren’t as open about it as we are. The French and the Brit planes bring up the most important consideration of all, the pilot. No one has pilots as steeped in real time aerial combat as the Americans. America doesn’t have pilots, they have warriors, big difference. so if the Mig 35 and J-12 are equal to the F-22, they lose. Who’s going to take down the American flyers? The same argument can be made for the American and British tanks. These guys are good in REAL combat. If your tank is as good, you lose.
Posted on May 18th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
dudes in my personal opinion a su-37 could defently give the f-22 a good challenge if not defeat it and also the united states will not be the only one with 5th genaration fighter planes but also china and russia,,,,russia is coming up with t-50 pak fa wich is very phisicaly similar to the f-22 and china is coming up with the j-xx.
Posted on May 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
In 1984 Pope JPII questioned a German mystic who had been given visions of a future war. The Church consider’s this mystic to be genuine. The Mystic explained a vision wherein he saw the “…sky black with planes and missles coming out of Russia” against the West in a surprise attack that the West never saw coming. Some intel experts have mentioned a “rumor” that Russia is manufacturing enourmous numbers of fighters, tanks, and heavy equipment but the rumor cannot be proven. Catholic prophecy mentions WWIII, wherein Russia attacks the West in a surpise attack and all American forces overseas are wiped out and all our depots are captured, that this WWIII last about 4 years and the world is thrown back over 200 years, Russia is successful for 2 years and then the tide turns, we win but at an enormous cost, wherein 3/4 of Europe and 50% of the US are wiped out. This mystic also saw two Russian subs, one on the East Coast, one on the West Coast, launching their missles against major American cities in a last effort by Russia to turn the tide of the war that they were now losing. The reason in Catholic prohecy for this is that because of the loss of faith in the West, God allows the enemies of the west and Christianity to punish it for its apostacy (now happening). When all seems lost, when the Church seems finished by both its loss of faith and corruption. when it seems the enemy has won, then God steps in and turns the tide. Check out or search – The Three Days Darkness” which will be at the end of the War. The sign of sure catastrophe, not all of the reasons, of every decandent society, kingdom, and empire, was the acceptance of homosexuality, which was followed its destruction.
Marie-Julie Jahenny, the Briton stigmatist, (search her name) was shown in 1886, WWI, WWII, and WWIII. Her descriptions of the first two world wars were exact and her visions of WWIII are apocalyptic, detailed, agree with the above but in much more detail. Not the end of the world but 2/3 to 3/4 of the world will die and its starts with world revolutions shortly before Russia attacks. We are real close according to some mystics and it all happens real sudden. One prophecy states that everyone goes to bed in a relatively peaceful world, as today, for the most part in the West, and Monday morning when they wake up all the world is at war. Maybe just figuratively saying it happens in a very short time.
Posted on May 27th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Joe H. people like you make me laugh all you need to do is look at history, 1991 and 2003 The Iraq Military was the fourth largest in the WORLD and had the state of the art Russian plans and tanks and equiptment along with the most updated and powerful air defence know out side of The USA and with more than 4 times the people on the ground than we had and it only lasted 100 days befor crying uncle in 1991 and just a few months in 2003 befor we occupied the capitol. The only War this lopsided befor then or since then was the invasion of France buy the Germans in WWII after The English and French declaired war on the Germans.The French must have helped hang the Natzi flags it was over so fast and they knew it was coming just like Saddam after declairing War and they still couldn’t stop them nor could the Iraqi Army. So I’m intriuged buy the fact that so many people don’t believe stealth works. I bet if you could take a pole in Iraq I bet the first thing they remember of the start of the war was buildings disapiring and then anti air flack going up while we were back at the base in SAUDI getting refueled .The top of the line Russian Equiptment against The top of the line American Equiptment = a very short War. The Afganastan war bank rupt the Russian army and all we did is send a little special forces and a stinger missell over there, yet when we attacked after 911 we held all of the major citys in less than 6 months. History never lies
Posted on May 27th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
The UK should get their hands on the Raptor if they could. Best fighter in the world combined with the the best pilots in the world. Interesting combination!
Posted on May 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Gary P. maybe you should read a few history books befor posting, The Luftwaufe had far less planes than the allies after the Landing in Normandy and yet with casualtys of the RAF and the US Bomber comand being higher than any other branch of the military until the invention of a plane that you probaly have not herd of called the P51 MUSTANG came along and firmly took command of the air lowering causaltys from around ( and read this part slowly) 70% in the RAF down to less than 4% in the first mission flown with the P51 Escorting the bombers. So to sum things up the Lueftwaufe had far less planes and still controled the air over Germany until the P51 Mustang came along and then the air was controled AGAIN buy a far superior plane and not numbers. History if you don’t lern from it you become HISTORY!!!!!!!!!! Unless you wan’t to argue that the P51 wasn’t the most dominating plane in WWII like that idiot in the post above about the SPITFIRE now that is funny.
Posted on June 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
F-22, hands down. Especially when you consider the tactics being developed to boost the F-22’s chief drawback:numbers. To counter this the F-22s and 35s will be used with swarms of cheap, stealthy UCAVS, like the X-45. To be fair plenty of other countries will use similar drones.
Posted on June 8th, 2009 at 2:05 am
yawl r all wrong the su47 berkurt is the best fighter jet in the world
Posted on June 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Every machine can outdo everything and anything in this world, the world made a lot of fast crafts, but no human nature has ever outdone the full capacity of any machine specially jets.
Everybody will end -up in ashes if ever there will be a machine that could surpass what our body could take…let’s go back to our drawing boards and further study our physics…let’s retake our G’s subjects then we could consider who made the fastest and best jets in the world….
Posted on June 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
F-22 hands down…300+:1 kill ratio in every single Red Flag excersise (ie-the best of the best vs. the best of the elite)…end of discussion!
Posted on June 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I see a lot of people picking the f-22. Thing is, thats had more of its fair share of problems already. A pilot doesn’t want a plane thinking it can do the pilot’s work. I’m going with the Typhoon F2 because its Britains best plane in service, staying loyal.
The thing is though, the chances of another Battle of Britain or major aerial battle are so slim, we will never be able to tell which is the best. Yeah some of these planes may look good in testing but they will never be tested against other nations planes. Building good tanks, weapons, planes etc. is simply nations bulging there muscles in front of eachother to show that if something did kick off, it would get very messy!
Posted on June 12th, 2009 at 9:46 am
BTW SCOTT…. a few comments up!!! The reason the Luftwaffe had so little planes at this point was because the SPITFIRES and HURRICANES spent the summer of 1940 shooting them all down, not this mustang. The reason that the Luftwaffe had air superiority over Germany was because it was there soil. So with the combination of AA guns and the fact that if a pilot bailed out, he could land and go get into another plane instead of being captured, was always going to favour the Germans, temporarily. Anything from the Americans merely helped, didn’t dominate. You look at the size of America and Britain, we simply needed your help to win the war FASTER, not win the war. I’m still very grateful though for the help though. lol
Posted on June 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
This is a tough one XD
Ok let’s put it this way
(Although the Su 47 pilot might want to bring a few sick bags)
If F/A-22 and Su 47 are 20 miles apart, the Su 47 will probably be blasted out of the sky before the Russian pilot even detected the F/A-22.
At 5 miles apart it comes down to whether the F/A-22 can slip out of visual range of the Su47 or the Su 47 gets on the F/A-22’s tail first
At 2 miles apart the F/A-22 pilot will want to keep one hand on the ejection handle
Posted on June 17th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
By slip out of visual range i mean fly into the Su47’s blind spot and fire off a missile
Posted on June 17th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Nick, the Su-47 is more of a technology demonstrator at this point, as I understand it.
Posted on June 19th, 2009 at 7:05 am
It’s rather abstract to compare the F-22 against anything right now, if http://www.dedefensa.org/article-l_usaf_adopte_la_doctrine_cortez__16_06_2009.html is to be believed (in French with snippets of English: sorry!).
It seems there is only a small lobby trying to keep that bird alive by pushing for construction of an export version for the Japanese. Otherwise, Def.Secr. Gates is committing to the F-35, the poor man’s version thereof, aka JSF for Joint Strike Fighter. The USAF wants 2,250 but expects only “well over 1,500.” More accurately, USAF Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz seems to be the defense secretary’s point man to foist that aircraft on the service.
This seems to be making the good general wildly impopular too.
All of this is happening against the backdrop of a grim and urgent accounting imperative: the ballooning US deficit means the Pentagon budget will have to take deep cuts sooner or later.
However, you can always carry on with hypothetical engagements between Chinese Su-27/Su-30s and JF-22s.
Posted on June 19th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Whats all this fuss about the su-47. Firstly its a prototype so probably know where near finished. Seondly its costs an arm and a leg to build. In this day and age cost is important, a $200 million fighter jet doesn’t seem that practical or viable.
Eurofighter costs half that, and has been around in service for a bit now, bit of experience under its belt. Also it has RAF pilots flying it. What more can I say.
Posted on June 19th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I agree to both sides that they all best, both old and new generations of their fighter planes, i beleive in their diff tech knowhows and aspects of making such super fighter planes, both sides has succesfully made it and perfected it based on their varrious tests that they made… and It won’t be in a production if the said things won’t benefit them even to cost them a lot depending the kind of new tech and program that is being aimed to built with… I think it’s the pilot who matters which is the best fighter plane in the world coz they are the one who take responsibility, their guts, bravery, talents esp. in dog fighting, courage to face the enemy… we saw it in gulf wars, and whose planes became the dominant side, nothing but the US made planes, why not Russian made planes piloted by Saddam’s pilots or airforce, just mentioning the few… it’s the pilot who carries a lot.
Posted on June 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Anybody heard of focksbat, a Russian cold war plane.It had a unique speciality no other planes
could fly as high as focksbat that; even F-22’s but it was not used for fighting.No anti air craft missiles culd go as high as it went.But it was a spy plane. But point I make is that Russia has equal technology with USA.Nobody made a documentary of Mig 35 or Su-37, but I’ve viewed half dozen documentary about F-22.So we are going to know what russians has only when we mess with them. but do we really want that to happen?!!
Posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Gosh, I’m relieved you spelled it with an “o” not some other vowel that comes to mind.
The NATO reporting name is “foxbat”, like the airborne mammal.
You mean the MiG-25: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-25
Posted on June 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Hi to all, Give some comments on Sukhoi Su-30MKI & HAL Tejas fighter jets from *INDIA*
Posted on June 25th, 2009 at 11:38 am
if USA is so much superior why not it using a f22s against north korea. All it has done is getting all dogs around itself before a fighting. USA, if alone could not even beat a small country like iraq. btw russian pilots have never attacked some country like usa did. the iraq war would have been over in 20 days if ita was russia.
Posted on June 30th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Thank you Mr Arthur for correcting my mistake(pls be less embarassing nxt time).I knw few things about Tejas.Its been in prototype stage for 5 years.Its been in experimental phase for quarter century. Only the body and avionics is of Indian design.IAF has scrapped DRDO’s plan to have indegenously developed KAVERI engine(with French co operation) because they think its not competent enough.They may develop a good fighter(equal to F-16) in 5-7 years but by then evryone surrounding India will have far advanced aircraft.It has caused approx 2200 crores till now(gus how many Su -Mki shud hv been brought by tht much money).India badly needs a Kalaam or a Homi Bhaba for their aircraft industry(which is still infant).Su-MKi is very good aircraft.It can be used for reconssiance also.
Posted on July 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am
i think it is the tora tora fighter plane of the philippines. its the best
Posted on July 5th, 2009 at 10:55 am
i heard that if it seeks a missle it does a u turn so fast it knocks the pilot out and goes to auto pilot and it has taken down all of the best jets in russia and usa
Posted on July 8th, 2009 at 3:23 am
I do believe the F-22 has inhibitors to restrict it’s movement to prevent pilots from blacking out.
Also, the USA won’t take it’s top plane and let it dogfight others to see what it can do.
They let other countries bring their top planes to go against the lesser planes that everyone knows (ie. F-15,F-16.etc). USA knows what the F22 can do against these planes. In one excerise pitting F22s vs. F15s. It wasn’t even close. After a week, only 1 F15 got a shot off against the F22s. Most were ” shot down” before they even knew the Raptors were around.
Also, remember what you see from the US is usually 15 to 20+ years behind the technology they are currently working on in secret ( Can you say SR -71 and F-117, just to name a couple). So if the F22 is better than most countries ” project in working”, think of the things that they have behind the secret doors.
Just food for thought.
Posted on July 9th, 2009 at 7:06 am
You guys forget that the F-22 also contains electronic warfare tech and is capable of burning out or even destroying any ememy radar system without firing a bullet.
Posted on July 19th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I say everyone here needs to shut up because I doubt anyone here has any idea of what each of these aircraft can even do. Do you think a country would be so naive enough to give out information on their most advanced aircraft?? If you said yes to that question oyur a moron. The F-22 in my eyes with the information that has been given to us is clearly the better aircraft. It has stealth and electronic warfare tech which is capable of destroying almost any mobile, aircraft or even ground based radar systems. No radar equals no location. Even if your french or russian had a clear advantage in dog fighting capabilities (which they don’t) they wouldn’t even know where to strike. You can’t hit what you can’t see period. F-22 with the information that has been given to the public is at the moment the better aircraft. I just see a bunch of nationalist throwing punches in the dark right now. The only way to find out for sure is a war and if any of you wish for that then I hope your sent straight to the front lines so you can truly experience it.
Posted on July 19th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
tora-tora? it’s not even a plane you moron. it’s a nihongo term
meaning .. “tiger” it’s a code name for attack used by the Japanese Imperial Navy during their attack on Pearl Harbor, “Tora, Tora, Tora”
On-topic: toss-up between the F-22 and the Su-37
Posted on July 20th, 2009 at 8:38 am
best airforces in world:
1. USAF
2. close 2nd, Israeli.
the best aircraft in those forces is the best aircraft, period. simple as that. even if the F-22 were less capable than the Su-37, the fact that the F-22 is flown by either the USAF or IAD retains supremacy. check the history books, kids.
Posted on July 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Let’s not forget the Eurofighter, when it was first commissioned, two Eurofighter Typhoons were placed into a war game with four highly combat experienced F-22s, Within 10 minutes the F-22s had all been eliminated! The eurofighter is so advanced, it is impossible to cause wing stalls, it can lock onto targets at it’s 6 o clock, it cruises at 1300mph, it is a ferocious air power.
Posted on July 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
uh, Calum, u’re off ur rocker! the F-22 has never gone into a war game with anything other than USAF fighters, and they have an immaculate kill ratio of everything, in a few minutes, one F-22 took out 10 F-15s. u’re imaginary Typhoon war game is a hoax. get ur facts straight.
Posted on July 24th, 2009 at 11:47 am
try researching under wikipedia and military history channel. u really need to cite ur resources vs. just throwing out some fictitious claim.
Posted on July 24th, 2009 at 11:56 am
id like info on german pilot who dropped a big one on the al quida office just after 911 my cousin was stolen from us on that day he was a huge fan of early yes …….so this guys a hero to me for sure thanks glenn leslie
Posted on July 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Catholic Mystics have been shown WWIII and some were shown WWI, WWII, and WWIII, in the 1800’s. In 1984 a Mystic considered authentic by the Church told Pope Paul II in Germany that he was shown a vision of the sky black with planes and missles coming out of Russia towards the West in a surprise attack the West did not see or envision. Many Catholic and even some Protestant prophecies reveal an attack by Russia w/ China and the Moslem nations against the West in an attack completely unsuspected by the West and the Russia is victorious for about two years then we counterattack and win in the end after about 5 years. Check or search on the net “WW3 and the sub-heading “Visions from Central Europe”. Mystics have been describing in “detail” the Russian attach in three prongs along with an attack on the USA from within and without. They say Russia has been secretly building massive numbers of fighters, tanks, and military equipment without the West knowing and faking weakness and a poor military. Also the ” Three Days Darkness” happens at the “end” of the war or chastisement that lasts two years in the States and 5 years in Europe. Search the Three Days Darkness on the web. These mystics have accurately described WWI, WWII in detail and no one listened, and I guess most will not listen today. I don’t think the gov. or military are going to take clues or a warning from Catholic Prophecy. Anyways, the whole thing, or chastisement, is to punish the Western Chrisitan Countries for the loss of faith, to be punished by their enemies and God steps in only when all seems lost, when it seems that the enemy is completely victorious. Only then will He step in and then turn the tide and this time He will let it be know that it is He that does it – Apocalyptic happenings. Not the end of the world according to the Mystics, but 3/4 of the world will die and after it will be a glorious reign of the Church and about 50 years of complete peace and prosperity before man again falls from grace, then comes the anti-christ etc. Some French mystics describe the Russia attacks in extreme detail. One seen two Russian subs surfacing on both shores of the U.S.A launching their missles at the coastal cities, some seen Paris, Naples, and near every major city in the world being destroyed. Again they say the West wins in the end but at a very very costly price for both their stupidity, loss of faith, and sinful society that has abandoned God. The Mystics say that the Church, (Catholic) will be punished and purified and returned to its glory. That now the priests and lay people are wallowing in decrepit lives. In the end after the 5 years only one Church, The Holy Roman Apostolic Catholic Church, and no others will be left except the Moslems and pagans of the East and Africa etc who will eventually be the most of anti-christs army along with those who do not convert.
Posted on August 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 am
Something I forgot: That during this Chastisement that I mention previously God will despoil all the rich and powerful of their wealth and positions and power and give it to the sons of working men because the rich did not do with their wealth what God wanted; that there will be 10/12 women for every man, so many men will die. That it will be a shame for a women not to be married and have many children and be a wife and mother. That many women will join the “taditional” cloisters with the full habits.
In the U.S.A. A massive revolt in all the major cities, (cause unknown), and that we will be attacked from five sides at the same time, Florida, Mex. Border, Alaska, California (Chinese massive amphibious assault with help from within) where they take California to the mountains for six months before we beat them off (believe it or not its in the prophecies) and from Minnesota (largest Russian and Moslem populations are in the S.Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan area right now). 100 to 150 killer teams of 25 men to a team in every state destroying all the infrastucture, bridges, roads, electricity grid, etc. Russia plans all this to keep America busy while they attack Europe. All American soldiers and supplies overseas are killed and captured. Obama’s chief advisor Emanuel and his buddies have been working with the Chinese for years, so you can see the “help from within” on the California attack. Hundreds of Chinese transport ships are never checked and come into the California ports, do the math and thing it out. The FBI and our Intel have admitted that the Russians have many weapons caches in the U.S that have never been found. I could tell much more in detail but I guess many will scoff at what I have already said.
Posted on August 2nd, 2009 at 2:40 am
Hello derailment.
Governments will have their secrets, but this is about what plane is considered the best.
I’m sure there are other places on the web to discuss what your talking about.
Posted on August 5th, 2009 at 8:11 am
This post was about which plane is the best. Which pilots are the best is another debate! Technologically speaking, the f-22 only has “stealth” and avionics over foreign fighters such as the eurofighter or the russian su’s. Other than that, the f-22 isn’t the most maneuvrable fighter in the world. And no, the f-22 does not have true thrust vectoring like the su’s. It can perform many of the same stunts, but i’m pretty sure i read somewhere that for some it has to play some trick with it’s engines that the su’s don’t need to do. True, the raptor could just fire a missile and the su would never see it, but the russians are producing powerful new radars that will pick up the missile coming from any angle. And the plane is capable of dodging missiles. The only problem, as far as i know the su’s still burn fuel too fast as it is bigger than the f-22 (approx 73ft x 48ft vs. approx 62ft x 45ft), so the confrontation won’t last long. And by the way, I think someone brought up the su-47 earlier, it is not going to be mass produced, it was just a test bed for reversed wing and stealth technology (yes, the russian have been experimenting with stealth technology)
In the end the f-22 has the slight edge in technology, though, and in my opinion the f-22 looks way cooler hands down.
Posted on August 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
now i am not the smartest when it comes to this stuff but what i do know is that the US military has clamed to have the best fighter in the world and no one has argued not only that but f-22 has stealth now i know that it is who ever spots who first in a fight now with stealth technology that has been proven (the only insedent a stealth aircraft has ever been comprmised is the balkens conflict which has not been able to be recreated) and with advanced radar that can help the pilot in cage multple targets at once but also spot enemy air father out then most will give the upper hand in any fight now lets just say the plane did have to dogfight with its thrust vectoring at high speeds not low like russian aircraft it can out turn any on the battle feild pluse it could jam enemy radar
1) f-22 read above
2)su-47 now it is aggod solid plane it can not beat a 22 but it can hold its with foward swept wings an thrust vectoring it is one of the best in the world but with just so much put into a f-22 it cant compete
3)f-35 with it much forgoten because of the f-22 it is also stealthy can huver makes good for the same reason i said in the first part of why i said the f-22 is good but in a dog fight it would fail do to lack of turning speed but dogfights are less likly to happen now days so thats why it is third
4) su-35 and rafel a tie both i would say in a fight match each other with radar avionics what it really comes down to is the pilot
5) typoon now i need to do more looking in to the plane but what i do no is that is one of the newest planes and i bet it comes withe capabiltes to hold its own vs the #4 spot in my list but i cant say that i also think it could vs planes like the f-15 and f-16
Posted on August 6th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
fuck the russians and chiniese
Posted on August 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
…… here is a link to a site i found in regards to emp weapons that can disable electronice hardware….. http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm
Just wondering if anyone can go on the net to build on of this, you would think that the major military powers would have built something more advanced, and as far as i have read the russians are the most advanced in this field. Wouldn’t the installation of this weapon on a su-47, as a self defence mechanism, render a missile attack on the aircraft close to.. well useless? hence the stealth adavantage the f-22 has, well becomes not that much of an advantage after all. I would also like to make not that to shield against an emp weapon is close to impossible as it require the whole missle to be covered in copper shield, since the fuel need to come out of somewhere.. shielding missiles against emp weapons are close to imposible… does that mean simple technology > advanced billion dollar technology? AGAIN?.. remainds me of the story about russians using pencils to write in space while the americans researced millions of dollars to nake a pen…
Posted on August 9th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Im really getting tired of the russians on youtube talking crap about the FA/22 Raptor and etc.
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 5:15 am
I 100% agree that the Russians issued the challenge to absorb as much of the data it could on the F-22! #1, any of the SU’s,MiG’s, or anything else that MAYBE remotely close are still in the testing phase. Some of the maneuvers the the other “test” (not fully combat ready),jets perform are COMPLETELY useless in a dogfight. With the advent of the radar/weapons capabilities that the F-22 possesses right now, there is NOT another fully operational/service ready aircraft in the world capable of competing with the Raptor! Do your research before you make claims about the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of the Russian built fighters. If you research some of the AVAILABLE military test maneuvers, the F-22 literally “spanks” F-15’s(which are currently UNDEFEATED in air to air combat),F-18 Super Hornets and anything else which occupies the same airspace even in FAR superior numbers. Until the “experimental” aircraft carelessly boasted about are put into service and actual tests are confirmed on them, the F-22 is the fighter to beat! Don’t worry U.K. and other U.S. allies, we will eventually make these phenomenal aircraft available to you and in the meantime we WILL have your back if the need ever arises again (see WWII atrocities).Thanks for taking the time to read my comments and please do your homework before praising other E X P E R I M E N TA L aircraft.
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Robert…. Sorry to rain on your parade but any invasion/attack on U.S. soil would result in unbelievable patriotic support from ALL Americans and would result in a coming together of Americans unseen since WWII. During this possible, but unlikely scenario,anyone involved in such an attack would see a technological and manpower wrath unmatched in history!To quote a famous American, “I pity the fool” who ever attempts such an atrocious and horribly mistaken plan at the people of this GREAT country! The unity and unparalleled patriotism that would be bread from this unfortunate mistake would create repercussions barely under nuclear devastation without actually using nuclear weapons.Don’t forget the 11 “Supercarriers” and fleet of 60-80 nuclear attack subs that would thwart ANY type of mass invasion of U.S. soil.
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pm
prerna…. Do some research, the full compliment of Russian technology couldn’t definitively defeat Afghanistan not that long ago! NATO is by FAR the most powerful military organization on this planet! Everyone is entitled to their opinion,but please educate yourself before you attempt to belittle the U.S. and it’s powerful allies!
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 5:26 pm
prerna…..by the way,Iraq had the 4th or 5th most powerful military in the world before the 1st Persian Gulf War!Battle hardened soldiers from the Iraq/Iran war were surrendering in droves to the allies by the end of both wars.Oh…I forgot to mention, Iraq had some of the best Russian technology available at the time, and was STILL decimated by the allies! I will NOT boast and brag of the U.S. and it’s allies military might with the risk of sounding too cocky,but again, do some RESEARCH! Also take into consideration how much of the allied technology is now battle tested and refined due to these RECENT conflicts! One commentator nailed it on the head when he stated that the technology currently being used was being developed 15-20 yrs. ago. Just think of what is under development and or available TODAY!
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Eugenio……you must have overlooked some of the specifications on the F-22. It carries 2-1000# bombs INTERNALLY stored! Also internally stored are the next generation AIM sidewinder that can find and destroy targets even IF they could by chance find the F-22’s six! Someone also mentioned the thrust vectoring on the SU’s…..check the specs on the Raptor! It also has thrust vectoring! The SU’s have 360 degree thrust vectoring as opposed to the 180 degree on the Raptor but…. the FACT is the Raptor has the tightest turning radius as ANY fighter currently AVAILABLE! If you do some research, turning radius has played a H U G E role in dogfights since their inception in the latter half of WWI as well as WWII. You talk of all of these other aircraft,but,currently the F15 is UNDEFEATED since it’s birth in the early 70’s to current. And yes, it has had encounters with MOST of the current Russian fighters AVAILABLE today. I stress….UNDEFEATED!!! Yet the F15, as capable as it is, is NO match for the F22’s. The F-22 also comes standard with bucket seats, power windows, speed rated tires and most importantly, RADAR JAMMING/DISABLING equipment!!!! There are some FANTASTIC fighters being tested/manufactured in this world today, no question, but there are MANY items that make the F-22 stand above the rest! Everyone wants to gauge their fighters against the Raptor for a reason.The U.S. is apprehensive for a reason, we don’t want to reveal ALL of the capabilities of our newest air superiority/attack fighter. I just have to mention, I love the “plasma” field statement mentioned above in regards to the SU jets, nice touch. I imagine you have some recon photos confirming this.Sorry…I do not believe that a country that is parking some of the most advanced nuclear subs in the world today has the time/funds available to develop such an incredible (and very,very futuristic) technology.Imagination/innovation breeds technology, but I think the nation that houses some of the most advanced concentrated energy technology(hint,hint, the U.S.), will develop anything of this sort long before it is theoretically possible to install it onto a fighter jet!
Posted on August 21st, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Seems like Russ if fairly accurate.I’m not convinced the F22 is the best right now but he makes a pretty good case.I will have to read a little more on the Eurofighter before I will agree. Anyone have any comments about his information?
Posted on August 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 am
I remember when there was French Mirage 2000 vs Brazilian F5
The modern Mirage 2000 were beaten up by F5 like nothing, due to F5 having low radar and heat signature.
But now, there are other technologies employed on Rafale missiles :
-Missiles now can be fired WITHOUT LOCK, and it tracks the target by a fotograph.
It means that ’stealth capabilities’ wouldnt work against a missile like this.
Posted on September 8th, 2009 at 1:40 am
The best fighter jet in the world is the mig-25 ub with vacuum tube technology and a titanium reinforced cockpit. It has two independent cockpits, one for the pilot and other for the weapons controller. It is faster than the F-16s and at one stage had flown right on top of 6 F-16s and they couldn’t do anything about it. While the F-16 may have a good combat undefeated record, they have not been put up against the Russian technology, but rather against extremely weak targets in Serbia and other “sorry losers” part of the world…..sort of like a marketing scheme to sell the F-16s to international customers and allies. The Russian jets do not have a record because how many times have you seen them fight in wars in the last few years, except Georgia last year, which I must say they won within a space of 6 days.
Posted on September 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Are you serious Buddha? The Mig-25? Saying it has vacuum tube technology would have been impressive… a few decades ago. Today it is only has two things going for it, speed, and resistance to a nuclear created EMP. With a speed of Mach 2.8 (it can go above this but that will damage the engines), it is fast. Yet it handles like a bus and is dead meat at closer ranges. It’s avionics and radar are obsolete, and it is quite a task for one pilot to handle the aircraft. It has a limited range and it largely relies on external guidance. With the exception of non-combat trainers the Mig-25 is a single-seat aircraft.
The improved Mig-31 is a step forward having a greater range, better radar, and a two man crew. Yet when it comes to maneuverability it is hardly an improvement over the Mig-25. The avionics and radar of the original Mig-31 are quite outdated today, yet upgrades like the Mig-31BM bring them to modern standards. Yet even the upgraded versions are primarily interceptors. It is expected to deal with bombers and attack aircraft, not enemy fighters.
Most Mig-25s are in pretty poor shape due to the limited resources of the air forces using them. Most of Russia’s Mig-31s aren’t even the upgraded variants either.
The best air superiority fighter would be hands down the F-22A in my opinion. We should really listen to the USAF and build more of them. The F-35 promises to be a relatively cheap and effective multi-role fighter, but it should not be expected to fill the shoes of larger twin-engined, air superiority or strike aircraft, like the F-22 or F-15.
When it comes to 4.5 generation aircraft I think they should be compared to aircraft of the same size and performance category. For example
F-15SG
Su-35BM
Su-30MK
Eurofighter Typhoon
F/A-18E
Rafale
Mig-35
F-16E
F/A-18C
JAS-39 Gripen
J-10A
Posted on September 12th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Well, friends I think we shouldn’t waste our time in THESE groundless debates…..we should go with the facts…And facts are with F-22:[R@pT0R].It is the best plane in the world not just because of it uses the stealth technology but also because of its integrated avionics gives it first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability which many other fighter[RAFALE & SU-30MKI] do have.
But 1 thing I must say that the only fighter that can give a completion 2 Raptor is SU-30MKI(joint venture of Russia & India) because It is equipped with best supersonic missile in the world(BrahM0s) which give it a edge over Raptor..
Last but not least R@pt0r r0ckkkzzzz…..
Posted on September 18th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
British Intel reports a few years ago, that were ignored by their own government, stated that they had info that Russia was building massive numbers of fighters and military hardware, tanks, missles, etc at an unprecedented rate, “secretly”. Now we do have an edge on technology, but remember the Russians are not dumb, over 70% of all Scientific accomplishments and inventions come from Russian scientists, and they were in space and had a space station before us. Never, never, underestimate your emeny. Check out as this is spelled “WW3 Prophecies” and click on the “Visions from Central Europe”. These are Catholic and some Protestant Mystics that have seen visions of WWIII and all of them have a very high degree of integrity, having warned of other happenings that did come about exactly. Anyways, some of these visionaries, one in 1886 was shown, WWI, WWII, and WWIII, and her descriptions were detailed, accurate, and unfolded exactly; she shaw Russia attack the West in a surprise attack that the west never saw coming. Others have seen visions of the sky “black” with Russian planes, and the ground dark with an unbelievable number of tanks and over 10 million troops. They say we win in the end but at a great loss, over 3/4 of the world dies. Thats a big number, not the end of the world but it might seem it; then a long peaceful age of prosperity. Also, this happens in a 4′5 year period to happen soon, and at the end comes a “Three Days Darkness” like in the Old Testament (Chech this out on net). So, the Raptor and what we have maybe good, but a few Raptors, against hordes of just under it’s capability means disaster. And all Americans overseas are killed and all our depots are confiscated in the first few years. Also one visionary seen two subs surface on both the east and west coast and fired their nukes at American coastal cities.
Posted on September 21st, 2009 at 1:53 am
dude check out new pak-fa fighter jet of indo-russian origin it is far better than F22 and also have stealth
Posted on September 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Way too many people want to base their accusations on hearsay, “secret” pictures, and prophecies. The FACT is there is no other current PRODUCTION jet in the world with the same capabilities as the F-22. PERIOD!!!!!!!!
Posted on September 28th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
The Raptor has taken on the UNDEFEATED F-15C in actual exercises and won with almost an 8 to 1 ratio. Well let’s see, I guess that translates into destroying almost 800, yes 800 enemy aircraft for the current inventory of F-22’s.and yet it has not been decided if the U.S. will cap the production at 104! Any other PRODUCTION aircraft that can make that claim, I’m all ears!!!!!!!
Posted on September 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
This entire discussion is way too pointless.
The F-22 is the best fighter jet in the world simply because it’s the only 5th generation there is. I don’t think any other jet can take on F-22.
But the F-22 price is immense, and as someone already said it will never match F-15 in kills.
The post above is pure BS. F-15 was engaging Iraqi not well trained pilots, with low provisions, terrible moral, destroyed infrastructure, bad communications and headless leadership. It doesn’t minimize the Eagle’s success, but against a better enemy (basically any serious non-f***ed up country), the statistics would’ve been a whole lot different.
And the fact that Russians don’t have a jet to match F-22 doesn’t mean they don’t have extreme anti-air defense (S-300, S-400, S-500 under development) which can nullify every jet’s abilities within 250miles.
USAF never faced a real threat, a real enemy. Iraq was screwed before US ever showed up. You will never see US fight 90 million zealous Iranians, nor the N. Korea. You will never see them engage in Georgia or get too close to Russia. All these conflicts are done with silent approval of Russia, and the two superpowers won’t get a chance to test each other’s strengths until the WW3 which will last for 3 days after both launch SLBMs from a single sub (check the firepower of Russian Typhoon class subs).
Therefore, F-22 has no match within their non-Russian adversaries, and it can have fun in every war against screwed governments or divided countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
S-400 is imo the best conventional piece of weapon there is at the moment.
Posted on September 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
I don”t know how many times I have to say this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do your research! The Iraqi armed forces had been in a fierce war with Iran for many years. Many combat hours were logged during this war. Most of the Iraqi Air Force had MORE combat experience than any of the Russian/U.S. pilots. Also, again with a little research, you will plainly see that Russia, with all of their advanced weaponry, struggled for victories in Afganistan and other former U.S.S.R satellite countries. We are talking airborne and ground technology, some of which came off the latest Russian production lines, that struggled against these other countries/states. Russia is and will always be a force to be reckoned with no doubt about it, but I;m not 100% sure that any of their “Typhoon” class subs will even be operational (look at the pictures of the dozens of subs that are parked and deteriorating right now), IF, and I stress IF, there would ever be enough complete morons on both sides that would allow WWIII to ever happen.These postings are about the best fighter jet though, and NOBODY has shown any FACTS that prove my prior statements incorrect.So when someone comes up with some actual FACTS, I’m all ears!!!! God Bless the U.S.A.!
Posted on October 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I’d bet that the F-22 is currently the best fighter (when cost is not considered). However, it probably won’t be very long before Russia or China develop something even better as our foolish U.S. politicians continue to spend this country into the ground and our economy deteriorates to the point where we can’t afford to design our own planes.
Posted on October 10th, 2009 at 1:19 am
well for the time-being iil agree that the F-22 is the best fighter on planet earth but if u look towards the future I see a lot of advanced stelth technology from Indo-russin joint ventures like the sukhio-PAK FA we well probably see a mixture of high en stelth technology and the traditional good manuverabality blend into 1 in a superb aircraft that will be the aircraft which packed with a good long ranged interception system and a awsome all-aspect missile system will dominate the skies and such a project is already underway in India we should see the prototype rolling out by 2012 and this is sure to set new benchmarks for future aircraft designs.. we r all hoping for the best and the success of this venture by the indian govermnent along with HAl will consolidate india’s position and a counter-balance to china’s growing power in south-east asia ..
Posted on October 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Its so funny that you yanks always think that your stuff is the best, unfortunately at this present time the Eurofighter has been prooved to be the best muiltiroll fighter jet in the world, here are just a few quotes from the internet,,In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter:I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter.,,,In 2005, a trainer Eurofighter T1 was reported to have had a chance encounter the previous year with two U.S. Air Force F-15Es over the Lake District in the north of England. The encounter became a mock dogfight with the Eurofighter allegedly emerging victorious,,,,In the 2005 Singapore evaluation, the Typhoon won all three combat tests, including one in which a single Typhoon defeated three RSAF F-16s, and reliably completed all planned flight tests.[119][120][verification needed] Singapore still went on to buy the F-15 due to uncertainty over Typhoon tranche 2 delivery dates.,,,During the exercise “Typhoon Meet” held in 2008, Eurofighters flew against F/A-18 Hornets, Mirage F1s, Harriers and F-16s in a mock combat exercise. It is claimed that the Eurofighters won all engagements (even outnumbered 8 vs 27) without suffering losses.,,there is also a story circulating that there was a certain meeting in America between 2xEurofighters and 2xF22s and the American military decided to censor it because they were embarrassed that there top plane lost,,,also every one knows the F22 is not so stealthy as people think
Posted on October 25th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
both f-22 and su-37 has vectoring thrust but the raptor has stealth better radar and weapons
Posted on October 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
all these planes are equally capable in combat and they each have at least one area they excel at, for example, the Eurofighter has very excellent manueverability and the F22 has the most advanced tech but it isn’t just the plane’s abilities that decide how good they are in combat.
There are many more factors that show an aircraft’s true worth like weather conditions, the combat zone, altitude, pilot experience and last but not least, numbers, for example a squadron of 8 su 47s would smash a squadron of 3 F22s no matter how well equipped the F22s are, if this debate is to be solved then it needs a completely unbiased expert who knows everything about air combat.
Posted on October 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
The F22 is crap. In a dogfight, it lacks manouverability. This forum was not
the fighter with the most advanced electronics! The Su-37 can outclimb (considerably), and turn inside the F22’s turn radius. Most of you seem to believe that because the F22 is American, it is better.
The entire Su-27 range, plus the newer models was better than any comparable American fighter of the time! (Su27 – F-14,15,16, Su37 -F-18 ,F-22).
Posted on October 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Dogfight??
Posted on October 30th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I know an ex squadron leader on Tornadoe F3`s , he says that the f22 just sits at 50000 ft and is undetectable the eurofighter can`t see it quick enough to win a bvr engagement . However in a dogfight the eurofighter would be all over the F22 .
However I guess both the F22 and Eurofighter pilots do keep certain tactics hidden from prying eyes so who really knows ??? I think the eurofighter will come out as a very successful project , unlike the jsf which is just a bomb truck .
He did say that the tornado F3 would take out any current or planned soviet jet due to superior tactics , missiles and radar . Only in a merge would the Soviet pile of junk stand a chance and then the the asraam would blow it out the sky .
Anyone bleating on about Soviet Jets needs their head examined , they are unreliable their sensors and weapons are ten to fifteen years behind US/UK systems and they are relying on their older pilots as their new trainees don`t get enough hours flying time .
Bye bye Vladimir you sucker , you destroyed the Soviet defence forces , a true comrade to the West !!!
Posted on November 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Sorry anyone bleating on about the Indian/Russian fighter also needs their head examined , a waste of money that would be twenty years behind US/Western tech .
Get Real
Posted on November 1st, 2009 at 5:52 pm
In the race to space, during the cold war, The NASA spent millions of dollars developing a pen that could work in zero gravity in space. The russians preffered to use a pencil. Its not how expensive it is, or how much technology do you put in it, its about the pilot flying the plane, and the plane doing the job. You cant imagine how much i laughed about all the people talking about the US and the F22 as if it where really the best things in the world. I respect the F22, its an incredible plane in almost any way, but id go with the Berkut or some other european plane, the F22 is too expensive, compared to other aircrafts. Anyway at the end its the people skills the ones that win wars excercises or whatever it is. My country is sadly outdated with military techonology, we fly planes bought in the 70’s, and even at that time werent brand new(MIrage III, V, IAI Finger, A4 Skyhawk, etc.) but anyway during the falkand war(1982) we showed that it didnt matter how old or outdated the planes were, the pilots were higly skills. A funny story is that Argentinian pilots meassure themselves among them playing games like, who can get the largest ammount of grass during a flight, littearly, even with high grass, you have to be flying at less than 2 m off the ground (6 ft). Anyway, i wouldnt say which plane is better, i would say who has the better relation pilot plane. Give a young aprentice an F22 and a Mig 21 to the best, and youll get what i mean.
Saying hi from Argentina, Private Pilot, Diego Arias
Posted on November 9th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Enough with the EXPERIMENTAL SU’s already! None of them are into the production phase at this time! Given Russia’s current financial woes, they probably never will be.I agree that the pilot of any aircraft is the deciding factor, but no other country spends more time and money on pilot training than the U.S.. How about a shout out to Miromar! Top Gun changed the kill ratio in Vietnam from 3 to 1 to 12 to 1 with jets that were far less maneuverable than their MIG counterparts. Any questions????? Didn’t think so! Also the F-22 is only flying at about half of it’s actual capabilities due to limits of the human body. Just wait til they are controlled by well trained pilots watching from a computer! How many countries are using unmanned aircraft on a regular basis??? 3 OR 4??? Well the U.S. is one of them and it won’t be long before you see an unmanned F-22 flying at it’s FULL capabilities!!!!!!!!!
Posted on November 9th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Gentleman,
Hands down the best Jet Fighter ever to fly is the F-15 Eagle. The F/A-22 is good on paper, but that is all it has going for it at this moment. The ‘Eagle’ was THE Air-Superiority Fighter of it’s time, and still will be in the US Air Force Reserve/Guard for the next 20 years. Also, an honorable mention should go to the F-16, which also has an outstanding record. I should also mention that other great Jet Fighters are the: MiG-21, Tornado, F-4 Phantom, F-14, F/A-18, the MiG-29, the ‘Flanker’ Family of Jet Fighters, and the last three of the Swedish Fighters (the J-35 Draken, the JA/AJ-37 Viggen, and the modern JAS-39 Gripen).
Posted on November 9th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
all of you must know that the f22 with an overall is better than the su 35 and more expensive also but that is not the point.the point is that the russians work on the pak fa and this is the one that should be compared to the f22 and not the su35 so wait and see.
Posted on November 13th, 2009 at 4:03 am
Well… let me put it this way. The majority of you played video games whit F-22, and OMG IS THE BEST, it looks SO COOL
)) you make me laugh. F-22 is 50% Fighter 50% Bomber. My opinion is that in 1v1 air combat there are at least 10 FighterJets that are better.
Su-27
Su-37
Mig-29 Sniper
Mig-21 Lancer (is not good in “dogfight” but is one of the best interceptors in the world)
Eurofighter (witch is a verry good plane also)
And there are allot more. So if you play games and you “kick. @ss” that dosen`t sems 2 be like that in real life
Sorry if i`m offtopic.:D M1A2 Abrams is on 3 place as the best Main Battle tank
Leopard 2 or T-90
Chellenger 2 (it has a verry impressive armour)
and let`s not forget the Merkava 4 (this tank can run everywhere in the world (desert, ice rocky grounds. etc.)
The M1A2 Abrams is verry sensitive 2 harsh terrains.
Cya all enjoi
Posted on November 13th, 2009 at 9:02 am
well if you think the Mig-25 is really fast and all that, I still vote for the sukhoi-37 is my favorite. If it obviosly had to dogfight, but they say that the Mig 21- OVT should kick everybody’s ass out there because it can change it heading just like a lightning. Russian air force is my favorite. I had served it for 17 years now and went back to the U.S. (I am from russia suka)
Posted on November 15th, 2009 at 2:10 am
DOES ANYBODY DO ANY RESEARCH???????? Talk about shooting from the hip eh???? MIG-21????? Can’t even compete with the F-15, let alone a F-22! How many MIG-21s did the Iraqi Air Force have?? How many are left?????? I believe they had some MIG 25s and 29s too. Did they have “air superiority” in the last 2 wars???? Let me answer it for you. NO!!!!
Russia makes some fantastic jets, no question, but I am still yet to see a PRODUCTION model capable of competing with the F-22. Don’t forget, the F-15 is UNDEFEATED in air to air since it’s inception in the early 70’s!
Posted on November 15th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
I think the best fighter jet would be the F/A 18C Hornet. But the best fighter of the jets depends on the pilot
Posted on November 25th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
The F/A 18C is a fine 4th generation fighter,but the SuperHornet is far more capable and is pushing the original to extinction. I have just recently gone on a fact finding mission, and current PRODUCTION Mig’s and Sukhoi’s are still no match for the F-22! The Eurofighter deserves a lot of respect,but will be comparable to the F-35, fantastic performance at a reasonable price but still not in the same arena as the Raptor. Need I remind everyone that the F-15 Eagle is still undefeated and has seen the likes of the current Migs and Sukhois. A lot of the Russian jets are formidable to say the least, and can perform some eye opening maneuvers, but the Eagle’s state of the art radar and attack hardware have not been defeated yet.The newest Mig (29), was defeated by Eagles and Superhornets in recent years in ACTUAL combat! I think if Russia could still afford to spend now what they have in the past, their fighter jets would probably be equivalent to the performance of the F-22, but nobody currently has the Stealth technology that is available in the U.S. There are also some fantastic jets coming from the UK, France and Germany among others in the immediate future, but everyone one of them is an ally to the U.S., so they would be flying side by side with our finest if the need ever arose. NATO is by far the most powerful military organization on the planet, and if ever fully committed, would wreak havoc on the poor souls who made the mistake initiating a full fledged conflict. Let’s all just pray something that drastic never again takes place and hope for sustained PEACE!!!!
Posted on December 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 am
(the Su-37 would undoubtly win against F-22 Raptor) NOT!!!! The F-22 has software to keep it from making more G’s than a man can handle. If it didn’t control the G’s it would kill the pilot and put his eyes in the back of his head. I never miss a airshow and seeing the F-22 in person flipping around and turning almost at a dead stop is Awesome!!! In a dog fight the there isn’t any plane in the world that could match it… The P51 Mustang D might give it a run for it’s money even though that wouldn’t happen. If you are in a dog fight, stealth doesn’t help because you would see it but it has the power to kill the enemies electronics so if you are close enough you are done and your going down! F-22 Raptor is the best in the World… Funny, if anyone watches the youtube videos of chinees jets someone took American jets and added a little wing to the front of them to try and make the m look differnt. They took pictures of the X-23 X-32B and even the F22 and added a stupid little v shaped wing to the front to try and make it look totally different, it’s real funny. F-22!!!
Posted on December 9th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Clowns !!!! Enough !! The F22 , F35 and Eurofighter would wipe the floor with any future Soviet/Indian/Chinese jet !!!
Superior Pilots , Missiles , avionics , radar , ecm , training and tactics !
You idiots need to actually talk to UK and USA pilots , they would laugh out loud at these fools bleating like lambs about crappy Soviet jets !
Hilarious !
Best Pilots , USA and UK and thats it please no bleating about israeli clowns !
End of !
Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Well……. I guess for once I am the diplomatic one! Wow… that’s different. Let’s face it, RIGHT NOW the F-22 is the Jet to beat, but hopefully all these incredible maneuvers performed by the newest jets worldwide will never be seen outside the realm of air shows! Happy Holidays, and peace to all!
Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 3:53 am
good old spitfire
Posted on December 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
ok…..that:s right USA always makes the best fighters in the world. for example F-14 tomcat which you canot find it in the world just in u.s and IRAN.is one of the best jets .result : F-22 raptor///F-35 fightening are the best jets in the WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD.
PEACE FOR ALL?
Posted on December 16th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
The f-22 Raptor is the superfighter yet know to the world as an aircraft that holds steath technology and high maneuvrablilty and with the dedliest wepons with a cutting edge design wich allow it to fly at high speed and great control.
So due to that USAF F/A-22 Raptor rules the sky.
Posted on December 25th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
OK!! I too agree. f-22 is the best. but yet it never proved its importance in a real war like f-15 did. some people are just fooling around hear without any knowledge.
And its not necessary that falcons are better than migs or sukhois counter-contenders. As in India-Pakistan war of 1971. India smashed pak with mig-21 against lots of f-86 sabre. May be it was fault of Pak Air Force. There are chances of it but we have to follow the result.
America is really ruling the world if we feel. But a prob with America is foolish pride. Sorry to say but i love America too. It will lose all of its money showing its power. I mean wats the need to show all about area 51. I know we are the best. I should warn that there is a big cheap n sick copy cat CHINA !!! I respect Russia n Israel both. But CHINA??? Its a MOTHERFUCKER PIECE OF SHIT GANG-BANGING COCKSUCKER
Posted on December 25th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
the best fighter jet in the world is….wait for it……sukhio_30 go check it out boys and girls on youtube….need i say more
Posted on December 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am
You are basing the best fighter in the world on a you tube video???? Do some ACTUAL research and you will see differently,I am 100% convinced of that!
Posted on January 2nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
if Russia had more firepower than the US they would have attacked already—get a clue people… also there is some vids about how advanced Russian subs are. hey if countries want to display all of their capabilities or lack of to the world then go ahead but behind our open borders of America somewhere at lock heed martins skunk works is the 6th generation fighter being made right now to fly at the upper stratosphere at mach 6
Posted on January 3rd, 2010 at 4:28 am
First and foremost lets talk facts… the morons on you-tube videos filming these debates about Americas limitations is ridiculous at best. lets not take advice from the UN or the idiots at some global summit defense team who could not make it to a meeting without getting out of breath. I live in Georgia and skunk works is king!, Have friends that work at lock-head martin and they.wont even begin to talk about how advanced the sr71 blackbird that was built in the sixties let alone the f22 or f35 jsf. there is some hoax you-tube video going around about this Russian fighter and that this Russian fighter can beat f22’s or f35’s. These Russian planes cant beat the f15 eagle. listen kids, the only thing Russia is good at is making vodka and that’s it… well maybe some contribution to a space station. we helped them build it.. jeez… are you kidding me,,, russia better jet fighters than the US watch the vid and learn people dont fall for it at all and watch this vid..and learn the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on January 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 am
First and foremost lets talk facts… the morons on you-tube videos filming these debates about Americas limitations is ridiculous at best. lets not take advice from the UN or the idiots at some global summit defense team who could not make it to a meeting without getting out of breath. I live in Georgia and skunk works is king!, Have friends that work at lock-head martin and they.wont even begin to talk about how advanced the sr71 blackbird that was built in the sixties let alone the f22 or f35 jsf. there is some hoax you-tube video going around about this Russian fighter and that this Russian fighter can beat f22’s or f35’s. These Russian planes cant beat the f15 eagle. listen kids, the only thing Russia is good at is making vodka and that’s it… well maybe some contribution to a space station. we helped them build it.. jeez… are you kidding me,,, russia better jet fighters than the US watch the vid and learn people don’t fall for it at all and watch this vid..and learn the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on January 3rd, 2010 at 4:34 am
the f22 and f35 were not developed to be the fastest.. that title was wasted by the Mig 25 fox-bat! It has that role as the fastest fighter ever.What we are talking about is air superiority and when you talk about the most advanced avionics and defense systems that may come into play, then there is absolutely no other fighter more advanced in a real war to war scenario then the f35 JSF. It took skunk-works and Northrop Grumman years to perfect its defense systems. It is the only plane that can squelch a ground to air missile by jamming its guidance system from more than 100 miles away. also the f35 can forward all battlefield positions of all enemy aircraft in a 200 mile radius to subs ground and even the warfare command station in seconds with high speed satellite radar beacon technology system.
Posted on January 3rd, 2010 at 7:42 am
So what that Russians have proof that our f22’s lost in dogfights against su37 and su30 or the berkut 47. who cares . in real life the fight will not be a dogfight it will be 100-200 miles away at 30,000ft. all of the jsf”s top secret technology could be unveiled very soon. if Russia or china or any other po dunk country ever flared its muscles for real instead of in some dumb war game air show then you would know the winner. lets not even mention the f22. this plane is so advanced that we cant even pay for it so Obama put a hold on future orders but that will all change when republicans get control of the house in 2010…
Posted on January 3rd, 2010 at 7:48 am
This is starting to look like, “whats your favourite?” Well the best is i would say the f22… But my favourite is the f35 vtol. Is there any need for this thread to be here?
Posted on January 4th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Again, ALL the new Russian PROTOTYPES are exactly that! They have one or two built and usually less than that functional.If they had the resources, these PROTOTYPES probably could be built into a functional deadly jet, but the facts remain the same:they don’t.And if anyone thinks the Russians are sharing/selling all their secrets to the Chinese, think again! Bunk computer simulations don’t do anything for me because I’m sure the F-15 has been beaten numerous times in these exercises but is still UNDEFEATED in over 30 years of actual combat!
Posted on January 4th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
hey guys all of u have been talking about the best fighter plane but whats the use of that ‘best fighter’ if it hasn’t got a good pilot . i think plane’s win in any dogfight depends mostly on a pilot’s capability
Posted on January 5th, 2010 at 10:10 am
frndz f22 and sukhoi both are best fighter birds.. bt sukhoi is ma favouraite bird… i like mig 29 tooo
Posted on January 8th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
i think that the F-22 is the best jet in the world (even tho im british) because of its sheer agility and handaling even though the eurofighter typhoon has slighty more speed and range.
I really hope people will work on jets like these to make better models
Posted on January 13th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
not long ago, I have just learned Su-37 link, it rocks!!! He can make 760 degrees turn in only 7.3 seconds, beat that!!! + His colour filters 100% of radar waves, F22 wouldn’t stand a chance to sniff out Su-37. And when it comes to a dog fight, he will kick F22s ass!!! Americans made F-22 to small and stuffed him with “jingumahoos” to much, which makes him clumpsy and fuel waster. Su-37’s wings( which are going forward unlike any other jet fighters) give him unusual maneuver posibilities, plus he has the latest computer controll that does a lot of tasks by him self, and can easily escape any missles. But if you need long distance fight, sure, Mig 35-39 is right there, aqueped with so many weapons, that F-22 could only dream of.
And the shifting tubes were also russians invention, and so was the helmet with virtual screen.
There is no way US airforce could be better. 20 of Russian could take 200 of theirs.
so yeahh… Russian birdies Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on January 14th, 2010 at 1:21 am
Oh, sorry, su-47, not 37, yahh, it rocks
Posted on January 14th, 2010 at 1:23 am
Nick……………there are only one or two Su-47’s and they are strictly prototypes!!!!Your level of education/knowledge in this area is about a 1 on a scale of one to ten.If you even read all of these posts, you would move up to a 3.If you actually did some research, you could probably move up to a 5. When you do acquire SOME knowledge, come back and share your findings.I am sure you will be amazed at how little you actually know right now. Look up the F-15 and see how fantastic of a jet it is, let alone a Superhornet or an F-22!!!!
Posted on January 15th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Ok i would just like to put my little bit in. No matter what jet you look at in the world they will have some flaws somewhere in the design. So this debate about what one will be the best will go on forever. The names and the jets will change but it will be the same thing over and over again. All of these jet that have been stated in this thread are all very good jets AT WHAT THEY WERE DESIGNED TO DO. Say what you will about my comment but i stick by it.
Posted on January 19th, 2010 at 4:24 am
F-22 dominates the skies then it is the su-44 and the typhoon the chinese planes sucks as so all of them do china is trash that figths with nubers only they will never replace the us they cant even replace russia as nuber 2 so f-22 rocks.
Posted on January 19th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
have you also seen the new planes that carry lasers that boing plane i think it would blow anything out of the sky you cant evade a laser beam so the US still rules the skies.
Posted on January 19th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Im the proud son of an Grumman engineer. Sadly Grumman is no longer around but many of my friends are proud of it’s heritage. This is a nice site for people to chat and discuss new aircraft of the 21st century. I see many people naming the F-22 as the best aircraft built or the F-15 with its proud track record. I however, realize the F-14 is now retired but none have even named it a contender. First let me point out with all the pluses of the F-22 to date unless someone tells me Im incorrect it cant fly over deserts as in Iraq or Afganistan or sand will get into its engines and welp bye bye a billion plus dollars per aircraft. Which leads into my next point how can you justify spending that much money on a plane. I wish Grumman were still here. We built the best fighters in the world @ a fraction of the cost/ they could go anywhere and yes continually be launched of a carrier without catastrophic damage to his airframe as in the current F-18. I wonder what the F-14 would look like now? Perhaps our engineers are relying too much on computers and not enough on what they learned in college – theres a new Soviet threat and perhaps one soon from China – we need to go to work – thanks for reading this.
Posted on January 30th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Im the proud son of an Grumman engineer. Sadly Grumman is no longer around but many of my friends are proud of it’s heritage. This is a nice site for people to chat and discuss new aircraft of the 21st century. I see many people naming the F-22 as the best aircraft built or the F-15 with its proud track record. I however, realize the F-14 is now retired but none have even named it a contender. First let me point out with all the pluses of the F-22 to date unless someone tells me Im incorrect it cant fly over deserts as in Iraq or Afganistan or sand will get into its engines and welp bye bye a billion plus dollars per aircraft. Which leads into my next point how can you justify spending that much money on a plane. I wish Grumman were still here. We built the best fighters in the world @ a fraction of the cost/ they could go anywhere and yes continually be launched of a carrier without catastrophic damage to it’s airframe as in the current F-18. I wonder what the F-14 would look like now? Perhaps our engineers are relying too much on computers and not enough on what they learned in college – theres a new Soviet threat and perhaps one soon from China – we need to go to work – thanks for reading this.
Posted on January 30th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Jet fighters are fossils! What are they good for from current military point of view? Aerial combats? Explosives delivery? What else? The air show pirouettes look nice, but their combat application is dubious at best.
Posted on January 31st, 2010 at 8:26 am
no offence charels but your dumb, air supiriority is invaluable in war. No matter how many tanks, aa guns, missles, or ships you have you will still loose if you dont have air supirority, therefore you need jet fighters. they are used for air combat and explosive payloads your right but thats not all. They are also used for transportation of supplies at high speeds, spying, and sheer intimidation. If a jet fighter flew right over your head nearing the speed of sound you would shit your pants. there should be only 4 jets on this list for the best fighters (so far) that would be the 5th generation fighters. The F-22, The F-35 (both by lockheed) and the Sukhoi PAK-FA.
Posted on February 3rd, 2010 at 11:37 pm
also another possible contendor is the Northrop YF-23
Posted on February 3rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Just for the record: I have been researching area 51, and other “secret” bases that the US has for about a year now. my findings are: The US has weapons , planes, and technology that no other country could even dream of. Example: The Aurora, Particle Energy Weapons, Possibly even non-terrestial technologies as well. Think about it, The worlds fastest, highest flying, lowest radar signature plane is the SR-71 which was built over 30 years ago! It’s officially been retired for 10 years. At about that time the US acknowledged the existence of the F-117. Since that time no other country has been able to produce anything comparable.
Bottom line is, the US is so non-transperant that we still don’t know exactly what is i our arsenal , and what happened at area 51 in 1947. Any declassification of our military secrets only happens when that technology has been replaced by a better one. I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of another world war with the US. BTW 9-11 was an inside job, and aliens have visited our planet many times. Type UFO on youtube to see the testamonies of retired military personel.
Posted on February 9th, 2010 at 2:51 am
Just to ad to what I said earlier, the f-14 which is still a great fighter was able to fire the Pheonix missle which had a range of 100+ miles. In any engagement, the f-14 would win before the Migs or SUs knew they were in trouble. Here’s the good part, The f-14 has been retired for 15 years! Our new fighters are even better. BTW, the Russians stole the Stealth technology from us, just recently coming out with jets that have the same technology as jets we retired over a decade ago. So stop talking shit Russians, it is impossible for your country to even stand up to us for a day without being destroyed.
Posted on February 9th, 2010 at 3:03 am
To the american who claimed the mustang was the best in WW2, perhaps you should check your history. Yes it became a war winner as the only allied fighter which could escort bombers into germany BUT only after it was given the rolls royce merlin engine. Before that point it was considered a joke. It was trounced by virtually every axis fighter and even after it got it’s engine it could never come close to a spitfire in a dogfight.
As far as best current fighter i’d probably go with the F-22 in terms of air superiority but it is certainly not as agile as the eurofighter or latest russian types and cannot out turn any of them. A senior USAF pilot who is the only one to have flown both said that as far as agility was concerned the US had nothing to compare to the Eurofighter – look it up. Being the only one to have flown both aircraft i think that settles it. However as has been repeatedly stated the F-22 will likely see the Typhoon long before this point. I’m a brit and think the Typhoon is a fantastic aircraft but firmly believe the RAF should purchase a small number of Raptors and the JSF as stealth is essential in modern air combat. With the advantage of the Typhpoon’s superb agility and the deep strike/air dominance of these two the RAF would have little to fear from any potential adversary. And before some brainwashed american jumps in the US will never be an enemy, at least not in my life time, our two countries are each others closest military allies and regularly involve each other in virtually all top secret programmes. EG Brit pilots flying stealth aircraft before they were ever made public and US tanks being immediately fitted with Chobbham armour. Obviously more of these programmes are US based as you have a far bigger military budget but we both employ designers from each other. See the littoral ship – designed by a british company. So why argue as if anything the F-22 and Typhoon are probably designed to operate alongside each other, unless you want to contune to delude yourselves that america is an island and the best at everything!
Posted on February 15th, 2010 at 1:40 am
VOTE FOR YOUR HOME COUNTRY, POINLESS SURVEY
Posted on February 19th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Turkey
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 7:50 am
The F-16 is the best fighter -no contest the F-22 and F-35 are awful expensive White Elephants -machines useless in the real world. Both are far too complex, I could not see either being maintained under battle conditions. The F-35 is particularly delicate and feeble, the makers have learnt none of the lessons in trying to make a VOTOL plane -it obeys all of failures in design and none of the wisdom of its ‘predecessor’. The F-22’s ‘Stealth’, is of no use at supersonic speeds, you glow just perfect for radar and the very very good infrared missiles available now (that’s why the F-117 and B2 fly ’slow’). Supercruise is nice, but irrelevant, afterburners are of only use in dog fights -not the journey to the battle, an F-16 has a similar range to a F-22 due to this. Price, a F-16 costs $16M a F-22 $320M. I know I would prefer 10 F-16’s loaded with the same missiles (and a whole lot more) to a single F-22. Maneuverability, I admit vectored thrust is a cool toy, but in the real world, both planes are even, they are limited by the same thing -what the human can stand not what the plane can. Pilots, the F-16 (and the F-15 and Harrier to a lesser existent) are fighters for fighter pilots, designed by them and taking into account what is needed in a time of war. The F-16 was designed from the mistakes of the Vietnam war, made for pilots needs in hard times. The US military has since forgotten these lessons and we are left with a F-35 that can’t even take off even unloaded and a F-22 that had a distinct dislike of humans being in it!
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
we have to remember that the more advance we get the more money will be needed thats just the way it works, and at the same time the roles needed in war change, so one day we need a plane like the F-16 (hands down i do love this plane) can take punishment but can dish it out, but then lets say that we need a stealth plane, you will say oh lets send a B2 spirit, but its really slow so we need a faster plane (YF-23) but it needs constant maitenance. you see where im going with this? i dont know if this makes sence to some people but we have to remember that all of these planes are for completely different roles.
Posted on February 21st, 2010 at 6:41 pm
You also need to remember that were all human. Pilots, plain designers, and others all make mistakes, so you have to expect that some planes are going to be flops but hey thats how it works.
Posted on February 21st, 2010 at 6:43 pm
I agree we all make mistakes, unfortunately due to this, it needs a complete balls up for those in control to be moved out and radicals to know what is needed to get the job done. It is not the fault of the manufacturers, but the advisors and politicians who created the specifications the plane has to be designed within. Please do not get me wrong, the F-22 is impressive, impressive enough for the Russians and Chinese to duplicate it. But it looks like more of a stepping stone device to a completely autonomous machine. Also, as so very few F-22 that are going to be made, means I could see their only use as being escorts to B1’s for a first strike, at sub-sonic for stealth to work. For anything else, making the F-22 and to a lesser extent the F-35 Stealthy, has limited their usefulness in multi-role warfare. They don’t have external mounts so it limits their ordinance range. The F-16 though, is still may favorite, either totally clean or loaded so the wings are barely visible, it looks good. I think the US has missed an opportunity in not creating a real replacement for this 4000+ sold plane, most of its past buyers are looking to the Gripen as its natural successor, not to the disastrously hopeless F-35.
Posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 am
People, what I am seeing in this forum is that most comments posted here come from the heart and are far from being objective. I’m not an American, but if I had to fly into battle, the F-22 would be the plane I’d pick. There is no discussion that, with the data currently available, the Eurofighter is the 2nd best. It has repeteadly defeated all current fighters (both American, European and Russian) despite being stil T1 models (No CAESAR radar nor Meteor missiles). The only plane against with which it was measured and lost (at least in most of the engagements) was the F-22. The general agreement was that it faired much better than any other fighter (in particular when fighting in close quarters), but the F-22 came still on top. I’m an European and my country flies the Eurofighter but I still can admit that it is not better than the F-22. See, it’s not that difficult. In any case I still think that Russia makes better planes (I’m just talking about flying machines strictly); nothing flies as well ad a Mig-29 or a Su family aircraft; but their hardware is relatively unreliable, and some components have past their best. When it comes to training, I think that (apart from Israel) NATO pilots are by a long shot the best trained pilots on the world; their tactics, coupled with good, reliable hardware is the reason why in every conflict they come consistently on top. In any case, better to enjoy these marvels of technology at airshows than having to go to war. PEACE everybody!
Posted on February 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am
the f-22 is the best what gives it its diaframe is the W works on the outside. and on top of the they also help with its stealth.and it gives off less heat
Posted on March 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm
the f-22 Raptor is one of the most agile and high performance aircraft,can supercruise w/ stealth capabilities and trust vectoring engine….it has an AESA radar,the only downside is that it has no IRST (infrared seach and track equipment)……it can be detected by the russian PAK-FA and MAG-35 or even tha SU-30MKI, SU-35 and EUROfighter at 80-100 km range using its advance OLS/IRST sensor and the PIRATE (passive infrared seach and track equipmant ) of the eurofighter.
Posted on March 3rd, 2010 at 5:01 am
CAPMAN, lol, what is this Axis you speak of? The Axis of Evil I’m guessing, no such thing. Thanks to the Internet people in normal countries can see how the a stupid media and a militaristic society can produce such a paranoid population. I’m guessing you are American or one of these other military obsessed socities.
Posted on March 6th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
WAH! WAH! So far, after reading all your comments, I’ve come to 1 conclusion that we can all hopefully agree on. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE HE SAID, SHE SAID BULLSHITT!!!!!!!! ( to quote Limp Bizkit). What we need is a world competition of every country’s best planes and pilots, and settle this debate once and for all. Although, I doubt that it will. Someone, who lost, will probably say that the sun was in their eyes or some shit like that. All being said none of these planes will get off the ground if someone hits the other first with a high altitude nuclear detonation. The emp will take out anything electrical for hundreds, maybe thousands of square miles.
Posted on March 7th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I do agree with Bob, even after my emotions, It’s steath maybe beatable, it’s missiles and radar may not see too far, it isn’t the most maneuverable, it costs far too much and will exist in only small numbers and it isn’t the best looking but, the F-22 is still the best plane presently out in there. That is the question asked on this site and the F-22 is the answer.
The F-22 maybe the last time the west has lead in fighter design, from now on, it may well be the west who will be copying the east’s designs, as China (worryingly) takes up its position as the worlds new superpower.
Posted on March 10th, 2010 at 11:25 am
I’ve enjoyed reading the comments of fellow aircraft enthusiasts. One factor many of you have left out however. When desigining is what is the function of that particular aircraft? I’m not however an engineer, my father was for Grumman Aerospace. I know a great deal about all the aircraft listed here and some about their flaws. Due to Chinese and Russians constantly looking 4 weakness I cant reveal short comings of air craft but I can say none of you have mentioned the retired Grumman F-14. It was retired due to politics – purely politics and the fore mentioned air craft did not meet their design goals only the Tom Cat surpassed them – and that is fact!!!
Posted on March 10th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
Al, I have to give you the 14. It was an extraordinary fighter. Even now, there is no aircraft better suited to protect a carrier group. It can identify and engage more targets simultaneously then any other platform, ever. But the decision to retire it, while political, (all military decisions are political, after all the military exist to protect a country’s politics) was a good decision. The 14 had way too big of foot print on a carrier. It also took an average of 40 maintenance hours, for every flight hour to keep the Tom Cat flying. In comparison the f18 only requires about 15 maintenance hours per flight hour.
This thread however is about the “best fighter jet in the world”, right now that is the f22. Unless some country is hiding a jet up their sleeve or holding back during testing the 22 beats all competitors in most situations, hands down.
Posted on March 11th, 2010 at 6:37 am
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