The Russians desperately needed to mount a response after the 1991 Gulf War, when the Americans stormed through the deserts of Kuwait and Iraq. The Russian economy’s defense sector was reeling, after the American military’s Abrams M1A1 Main Battle Tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles left the battlefield littered with literally hundreds of burnt-out and charred carcasses of once mighty Russian T-72 and T-80 tanks. As if the Russians weren’t already in bad enough shape after the collapse of the Soviet Union, now the international image of their largest defense export, the T-72 tank, and their newest model, the T-80, as no more than a flaming hulk of metal on the battlefield. Not good PR for the second largest weapons exporter in the world. Something had to be done. The Russian’s solution: rename the tanks. By combining elements of the T-72 and T-80 together, the Russians were able to create the T-90, and have successfully duped the market ever since.
Despite the fact that the T-90s design aspects are nothing new, the newest production models do include some major upgrades to the existing designs. A new gun being one of the biggest improvements, the newest T-90s coming off the lines can be fitted with Explosive Reactive Armor, laser rangefinders, an electromagnetic pulse generator to combat magnetic mines, and laser warning recievers. There is also a new type of radar jamming system to scramble the guidance of incoming radar-guided anti-tank missiles. Basically, you get early 70’s mechanics with 90’s electronics.
Don’t get me wrong though, Russia’s output capacity for producing these tanks can skyrocket if they wish it to. Never forget the inferior US Sherman tanks swarming the superior German Tigers. Technical sophistacation found with the likes of Western MBTs such as the German Leopard, French Leclerc, British Challenger 2, and the American Abrams M1, are expensive and time-consuming to produce and repair, while the Russians have never shown a sensitivity to losses in great numbers of mass-produced war machinery.
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Posted on September 19th, 2008 at 4:31 am
Russia is still a major threat to the western world, look at Georgia, russia fielded 2ooo tanks in under 2 hours. i still believe that the U.S could win a war against russia, but we would have to work for it.
Posted on October 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
maybe of maybe not
USA may win or may not win
russia we could is the only nation with the least weapon superiority which could atleast stand against USA so we could talk about this when a 3rd world war starts
Posted on November 23rd, 2008 at 7:13 am
Even if i usually not prefer USA versa Russia, i still believe Cj that USA would win, USA is still to big, and Russia is still to cheap today, perhaps after more economical crises in the capitalistic world this would change though
Posted on December 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 am
Rosssiyu to win not possible-it is not conjecture, but the real fact, history of wars it confirms with Russia.
Posted on December 2nd, 2008 at 9:22 am
Russia is a facade of bluster and ludicrous rhetoric as it was for the enirety of the cold war. Us military leaders were probably more responsible for this fiction than the russians. They wanted better and more weapons so would continually over estimate the capabilities of the Warsaw Pact to funnel more money their way. After the wall came down anybody with eyes and a brain saw the story state of this vaunted “Bear”. Yes the Russians has alot of harware in Georgia quickly but di you take a close look at what it was? 70’s and 80’s crap !!! BRDMS? T-80’s? Please.
Posted on December 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
russia is recovering from their economic crisis. I hope we dont go to war with them. instead of being rivals we should work together against serious threats like al qaeda.
Posted on December 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Russia is to big to lose war. In war US against Russia, US is goig down. You dont know what Russia have in Siberia. There are towns who are not on the map, And one more thing, Americans are gangsters they will always attac smoler contries, they will never attac strog country. You can see that with attac on Serbija. Veri small country but US never seng groud attac. Why? Bicouse the afraid that they will lose that kind of a war. You can imagin what will hepen with Russija.
Posted on February 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
First of all, Iraq did not field T-80s in the 1991 Gulf War. They did have the T-72M models, which are the inferior export models of the T-72s (compared to the Russian T-72B). Add to that inferior Iraqi crews and Allied air-superiority and the results are obvious.
These are conditions that you would probably not have in an all out war with Russian forces.
Posted on March 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
My side is with America first. But, we must live in reality and not in sentiments. Russia at the moment is rich. Actually one of the richest on earth. Due to the ongoing sell of resources. They even provide steam to Europe. And like we did once, they are acquiring technology. Soon, they will have the tech and man power to be a serious military threat to anything on earth. And, at the moment, they can live hundreds of years with interests collections alone. I agree that the world will be well better off, if we unite against terror and other threats. Instead of thinking about a war, that will destroy both nations in short time. The winner will be a loser too, as the two countries can sustain and survive a 90 days war. And by then, both countries will be happy to call it off and name it “A terrible mistake”.
Posted on March 7th, 2009 at 5:01 am
To be even more accurate – in ‘91 Gulf War, the Iraq was equiped with T-55s and T-72s. There were no T-80s…
Also, in case of war between USA and Russia, we should not expect the tank-against-tank battles – it would be a nuclear conflict.
Posted on March 17th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
1stly. Russians do not need t90 to defeat Abrams – read info about Kornet anti-tanks system, Tochka U. Lot s of Israeli tanks were destroyed with these simple weapon and that made Israeli government to send delegation to Moscow.
2ndly – the Russians have 13000 neuclear warheads similar to US + thermal H – bombs. Only crazy men can dream of defeating Russia – it is mutual destruction by no means. According to the history no one on earth never defeated them.
3dly Us and Europe should think more of Chinese threat.
I am from Brazil.
Posted on March 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Ok so apparently the only people that have commented on this are Russian Mafiosos that are still the worldwide stereotype for brainwashed. First I have to comment on someone saying that Russia may win “after more economical problems for capitalists” or w/e, Ok buddy, economics 101 for you here, the USA’s economy holds the whole freaking world up whether you people in the boonies of Russia like it or not and what hurts the US these days hurts everyone. Second I have to address someone else’s comment on how Russia has stuff we don’t know about and “cities not on maps, comrade.” Just a little info here, Russia isn’t the only country in the world with black ops and I’ll tell you it damn sure doesn’t have the most advanced or deadly. I assure you if there came a time when a 3rd World War threatened, the West (meaning Britain, America, etc.) would have some things to show the world(Russia, Mid-East, Far East) that would make you think twice about continuing.
Posted on March 25th, 2009 at 2:36 am
Typical ignorant Russian’s think there unstoppable and cannot be defeated. To address some of these totally ignorant cocky comments about Russia, well first off to whoever said Russia has never been defeated and never will its too large. Wow well during WW2 if you don’t remember the Germans swept across Russia all the way to Moscow and Stalingrad. Oh and didn’t you guys get pounded by the Mujaheddin invading Afghanistan which led to a humiliating withdraw and now its Chechnya and Georgia. Mctexan couldn’t have put it better “Russia is a facade of bluster and ludicrous rhetoric as it was for the entirety of the cold war”. Russia’s military is extremely low strength right now due to their economy crisis. That’s why Russia is obviously trying to provoke proxy wars between Iran and Israel so we will get involved while they profit off their natural gas. Half the weapons they say they have are extremely exaggerated just for PR. Russia wouldn’t have a chance in a non-nuclear war with the US simple as that, so they would have to resort to nuclear weapons in which ill just say we have an ACE card up our sleeve for ICBMs.
Posted on March 28th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
This is the 21st century, in a modern / conventional war, the country with the superior air power and missile systems will crush the other, and the US and western powers dominate in these areas. Not to mention the US is the true economic terrorist. Look at what happens when the US has a recession, the whole world sinks into economic depression. No shots would even be fired to bring Moscow to it’s knees. But just to humor you, the fact that the western powers field the f-22 and f-35 fighters means complete air domination, nearly negating the strategy of mass producing troops and tanks through out-dated soviet methods. Moscow has large oil reserves and that is an advantage, but not enough to win against the US (over even a country like China, Japan, or Germany) who has just enough resources to crush soviet infrastructure and dominate air space within days.
Posted on April 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
People who think that the US will fight Russia IN RUSSIA are stupid.
We’d fight your proxies/clients or you’d fight former clients or our proxies would fight each other.
But any sort of battle from the western Ukrainian border to China’s Pacific border would be won by the defender, and US military leaders know that.
Posted on April 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 am
THis are all bull shit……………………….one thing i knw is that USA will burn into asssss one day….. they have done lots of harm to all … though u cant see it now with peoples anger.. we will see when the actual time comes…………… so lets wait for the time
Posted on April 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
zyma chill out dude you’re anger consumes you , Wars are won by tactics,logistics and men willing and counting on the other guy dying for his country !!
Posted on April 29th, 2009 at 1:08 am
First research BlackWater, Triple Canopy, Halliburton, and Clayton Consultants. Then you’ll know the people.
Then research electric submarines, rail-gun technology, Metal Storm, TROPHY, and “unmanned war”. Then you’ll know the technology.
Then realize that the middle-eastern wars are about positioning bases around Russia and China etc, not terrorism or oil.
Now read Sun Tzu’s “Art Of War” about100 times.
Do all that and come back and read on…
Now you know the USA Military, and hopefully more if you did your research.
Any questions?
Posted on April 30th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Russia is the second biggest arms exporter: USD 8 billion in 2008 vs. about USD 32 billion for the USA.
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5846
http://www.fas.org/asmp/fast_facts.htm#USArmsExports
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Russia/idUSTRE5194AW20090210
Posted on May 10th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Huh, look man, russki propaganda is stretching worldwide, isnt it? I’m Georgian which lived in U.S. for years and my feelings are positive towards this country. But, russian guy wants to live in the states, while hating it and dreaming of big red russia invading U.S. paradox? nah, russian nature. Let’s get down to business now, russia is country big enough to pay attention to its history: it was being f#$%ed by mongols for 300 years in a row, it has lost many other wars, was dominated by polish, lithuanian and sweden, was literally crushed in world war 1, by Germany, was “saved by the bell” in WW2 by americans, for U.S. was feeding russia, otherwise they would lose forsure. Not to mention Afghanistan, Chechnya and Georgia. By the way, we, Georgians have army of 32000 man, while russian army counts million and a half. Russians, can you count? russia is a pathetic giant.
Posted on May 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
i don’t like war
Posted on May 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I think China will be the problem in the future, not Russia.
Posted on May 25th, 2009 at 7:09 am
China won’t be a problem. You have to realize China is swayed heavily by the US. Taiwan was booted out to bring in China do you really think NATO nations specifically the US would do this if it didn’t have some sway or control? China saw the writing on the wall via South Korea and Japan and even Taiwan. Made in CHina is seen now more than Taiwan which was big in the 80’s and even 90’s. China witnessed South Korea prosper and Taiwan while it had trouble urbanizing and feeding it’s people.
Back to the original topic which is a conventional war between Russia and the US. I find it largely illogical that it would happen as any western regime installed even if conquered would incite discontent on a large scale. Everyone here is comparing the US military to Russia or other nations even hardware and fail to show that the US is a volunteer army where as almost every other nation with a large standing army are conscripts or forced service. You cannot compare any country to the US as it’s unique that it’s arguably the strongest superpower with a volunteer military. The other glossed over fact is that almost any other nation with the same power as the US would be expansionist and conquer territory. The US has done little if any of this and you can bet the French and even Britain would still have colonies or territories conquered to further their own personal coffers. The US isn’t innocent and does have interests and has companies as well as political ones it exerts but keep in mind the overall theme here even after WWII.
This is why to this date I think the US is the best example or at least a model to be based or loosely based on a world order as a country they have the moral high ground even if sometimes there are questionable acts.
Posted on June 8th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
One last thing I wanted to point out. The US if suffering significant casualties which wouldn’t be much as many find any number under a hundred thousand disturbing losses would sour the public in any war. This is the only way to bargain for a cease fire or cease to hostilities. If the Russians did something the likes of Pearl Harbor or even 9-11 without the US declaring war or any acts of war in the public eye first there would be nothing anyone could do to save the Russian people. I guaruntee you that the Americans would do whatever in their power to obliterate Russia as a country.
I have never seen such teamwork and single minded purpose as I have with my Grandparents both sets in WWII (one in pacific and one in germany) and after 9-11 when some of my friends got called up. The US still has factories and if needed the transition to WWII era production could be achieved easily I wager.
Anyways let’s hope it doesn’t happen as the Russians need to sort out their own internal problems and are a good people overall in my opinion.
Posted on June 8th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Nukes, so these tanks don’t really matter. If US and Russia went to war we’d all be dead.
Posted on June 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
Russian kit in the dessert war and iraq was only encountered after decades of neglect and disrepair due to sanctions againt Saddam that starved them of spare parts, high grade fuels and lubricants and simultaneously destroyed the morale of the largely “press ganged” reservist army. This army cut off from supply was starved and bombed for weeks before the well fed and supplied Allied Proffessional Armies actually attacked. Not a fair test of russian kit! P.S. The well supplied and fed “Republican Guard” units were only able to interfere in Dessert Storm at on point in the battle, to deal with them Bitish armoured units were deployed opposite and tasked with thier destruction. Mission was accomplished with first round kills against frontal armour on T72’s at 7km+ beyond M1 range (especially that 105mm peashooter version). Ohh! by the way availablity omn M1’s due to repair break down rated at 67.5% Challengers and Warrior ICV’s 95 and 93% respectivly (read Nato service reports via “Nato military review”) This means a force of 1000 M1’s is on any given day reduced to 675 tanks before they even start thier engines, against a force of say 1000 Challengers able actually field 950 tanks. Brits would have the battle half won before it began!
Posted on July 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
you nave to understand all this talk of wars and rumers of wars will always be here untill the end… we must all get along but nature tells us different… when you have mad men running countrys that brain wash there people and in turn the people do not have an open mind to think for themselves, you have a disfuntional country…as for war, dont ever think that the united states would loose a war…. only a hard mad man nation would always loose, or you might say just fade away….with all the tec. we have now, smart booms smart bullets, a hitec navy, we can saw we would not have to use nucs… even if russia fires a nuc, we have the capasaity to shoot it down….. russia cant keep up with the u. s. just for ons reason. they donot have the the funds to produce….by this means we build a jet they build one bigger, but you have to understand that they build weapons on a cheaper scale and thats not good….lets take russian tanks for example…..they may be new or look like new, but they are the the same tank they have been useing sience ww 2….why it looks different and a new modle, is because it my have anew turrent new tracks, but its an old engine and is the same componits sience ww 2……..they only update the outside…..they still have the same teachings of military tactics, and never will they change or dont know how to win….. when the oil fields were buring in irac, the russins told sadom to set them afire…..stupid…..the only reason why they are in money or so called money is response to one man, an oil beron who is giving russia money to stay alive……as for war they will fail….you may think that just because they have the men to that out number us douse not mean they would win and and take over the u. s…..it will never happen…. for one thing, king david one man of a boys age killed a giant, and won a nation…..we are as david was, and we will win….so you see, just because a nation may bost all that they have, all that they can do will not win a war, it takes brains to win a war, not what you have……..dont worry of a war now, it will never happen not in this life time……ww 3 will come and man will distroy man but before this will happen god will distroy to stop it all………………………..
Posted on July 31st, 2009 at 6:18 am
3 Things: The odds of world war three are astronumical(sorry for spelling) because of every major power country being so wrapped up in another and invested in each other. The fact of a nuclear war would never happen because every one knows it would be end day and the only countries with a fighting chance would be those with strong air forces and anti missle defences. On the matter of russia vr usa we would loose and i am strongly american and patrotic but china and most of the world would side with them. but it wouldnt happen for the fact that china needs the us for the time bien. but wont for ever. we support each other atm but india will take over for us and china will come colleting in the future. as for weapons every contry has an idea of what the other one has and every country has its secerts. but a guns a gun and a tanks a tank it all comes down to who has the most experince in the long run. But to say russia and the us would fight is a joke and if we did it most likely would be with words and doucuments. as far as war is concerned it would be plan stupid for us to fight. on the question of russia has unmarked citys so do we all. and i will say this if americans knew the weapons they had or we had they would be shitting there pants. the fact remains they dont they only know a small portion of the weapons we have. and im sure russia has it the same way to a exstint. and black op groups arnt speacial forces they are missions. the usa has ove 25000 special forces just in the army. BUT the one that are succesful know one knows about and thats scary.
Posted on August 1st, 2009 at 5:20 am
I don’t believe that Iraq ever bought or used the T-80……
Posted on August 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
For the people talking about Afganistan…
The 22nd royal regement, I’m serving in it…
We are by no means here to take over, or opress
Its heart breaking to hear this, we’re feeding children, rebuilding houses, schools…
Anywho, a US vs Russia war would never happen, and no, it would not be a nuclear war, that would be saved as a last ditch effort, if that…
If a war were to break out, (land sea and airborn, not nuclear)
Russia has no reliable allies, all allies are third world countries, much like themselves
A Russia Vs US war is really a Russia Vs Nato war
In which case you’d have T90’s Vs Challenger II, Leapord II, M1’s, etc
It would be the Su-35, 37 etc, Vs. Eurofighter Typhoons, Super Hornet(F-22) F35’s etc
And you would have french, german, Submarines, along with the famed Us Virgina Class, and the best air craft carries vs. the russian Out dated crap…
Hands done, conventional war, Nato …
Nuclear war… I’d still have to say nato
Theres a new system that can has a tested 97% effectiveness against outdated Russian IBM’s … Nato would have at least 15 different countries possibly launching Nukes, with thier own defence, I don’t think russians would be able to deal with it…
For the Russians, Get a new leader, adopt dipolamcy, and make English your main language, or at least second language, it’ll do you good, (Look at the other countries that have done so?
Proud canadian serving,
Are army’s out dated, our airforce is in triple digits, and we don’t have enough men to fill our tanks, but we’re trained hard, and fight for innocence, I love being a peacekeeper!
All of you other countries Can laugh and make fun, but we’re the only army with integrody…(For the dirty Russians who think the us is evil, your the evil bastards, we’re the Us’s cousin) I would like new gear though, some interceptor Bullet proof armour, some bradly fighting Vehicles, some Challengers… AND A NEW WEAPON SYSTEM, C7-8’s are useless, and the new magpul massada
Posted on August 17th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Guys, all this is funny.
97% offectiveness against russian IBMs? Don’t make me laugh! If you are right, tell the US government to stop investing billions and billions in anti-IBM programmes, sattelites etc. “I am american, we are the strongest!”. Well guys, ask the germans. Russian tanks weak? Well ask the alive older german men what do they think about the russians. They talk with respect for them and their weapons. Ask the israelis! Their “Patriot”s couldn’t catch a single missile of the arabians (models much outdated to the “Patriot”). Their winnings were only won when fighting against the inferior export models of russian weaponary. Korean war? Americans remember how easy was for them shooting down the Soviet-made fighters, but what happened when russian pilotes started piloting in the war? American Fs started having troubles.
Iraqi war? against a country without any real weapon imports or parts for years?
Serbia? Did I hear “the invulnerable F-117?”? No? Thank you for not mentioning!
F-15? A copy of the MiG-25, which escaped from the USSR to Japan and americans examined it.
Anyways, respect to the americans!
F-22? Great plane! (russian catapult seat, by the way! : ) )
Abrams M1A2? Hey, guys! It proved itself!
Military electronics? Any lighter and better in the world? Few to compare!
Nuclear war? Don’t be stupid, guys, both countries will be wiped out, no matter if NATO is with the US or not. Only Russia has more territory where there is nothing to hit… Or I may be wrong : )
I even don’t know why russians continue studying new rockets, while Topol-M can go through any defence and hit with extremely high certainty. But you know the russians… Never enough! : )
After the ratification of the agreements for disarmament, the US told Moskow: “Please, don’t hide your weapons behind the Urals, you have satellites, we have also…” : )
So, forget about a war between US and Russia. They are equal. Just imagine what happens to Europe if Russia says: “No more gas or petrol, guys”. What are they gonna put in the engines of their tanks? Water? By the way – Russia has the biggest fresh whater reserves in the world…
Focus on China… 1,4B people with a growing economy and growing nationalism is something dangerous.
BTW – nothing against chinese, just saying that they would be a problem for the West, not Russia. Russia is somewhat a part of the so called “West”.
Thank you for reading!
Posted on September 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
fellows try to think three dimensionally. sure , no doubt the united snakes has better technology, has better weapon system AT THE MOMENT.but what is the underlying thing that makes it all work.MONEY. for the last 200 years they have been the richest nation and that money (part of it)went into funding high tech weapon systems.the russians even during the cold war just could not keep up with the expenditure.they failed as a nation not because of social unrest( that was the secondary reason) but because their government ran out of money. PERENNIAL TECHNOLOGICAL SUPERIORITY which most of you are automatically banking on is certainly not guaranteed. if a nation has enough resources sooner or later it will match up to you.you see technology percolates very fast and you can’t really seal it.look at india , china , and hell even russia. they are managing to pull out some really impressive stuff despite shoe string budgets.all that stuff about russia following the wrong strategy and that you have all the brains , keep forgetting that under the situation that possibly was the only viable strategy. they produce cheap stuff ,coz that’s all they could afford.
so the question to be asked is this .will US always maintain this financial edge?
you know the answer to that question.
WORLD BANK- your own world bank has pointed out that the bRic will the group to watch out for. all the countries are rapidly going the capitalistic path and in turn are enjoying it’s
dividends.russia has been rapidly upgrading it’s armed forces and NATO has even warned that by 2020, 80% of it’s weapons systems will be modernised.
you see where i am getting at.your days are numbered.
you see you may think that us is a nation with foreign policy based on morals and all that , but records prove something else. it is a cruel country. people , nations resent you and are scared of you.
i don’t think that is good.
Posted on October 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Russian forces are broken , they were barely able to beat up Georgia , they shot their own planes down, had terrible lines of communication, no modern intel gathering and a bunch of broken down tanks .
We should have given the Georgians a bunch of Javelin anti tank launchers and the Russian mouse would have had his drunken ass kicked back over the boarder .
Thanks Vladimir for destroying the Russian military !!
Posted on November 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
IMHO article is dumb and so not accurate. Arguments:
1. T-72 and T-80 are not even in same tank series. T-80 – premier Soviet MBT. T-72 – cheaper solution.
2. Iraq NEVER HAD T-80! It’s simple reason – T-80 never was exported outside USSR.
3. Saddam’s best tanks were downgraded (“monkey model”) T-72s. These weak models are not even comparable to real upgraded T-72 by Russian 1980-1990s standarts. Also Iraq had many T-55, some T-62 (chinese clones) and other mostly oudated machnines. Not so fair fight – OLD soviet armor against LATEST NATO armor.
>Despite the fact that the T-90s design aspects are nothing new
Bullshit! T-90 got new armor, new equipment, active protection systems, new ATGMs long range missiles, new engine, new fast autoloader, new fire control system…
>the newest production models do include some major upgrades to the existing designs.
So what? M1 abrams was developed in 1970s and all its recent upgrades (such as SEP model) are still based on existing design.
>A new gun being one of the biggest improvements, the newest T-90s coming off the lines can be fitted with Explosive Reactive Armor, laser rangefinders, an electromagnetic pulse generator to combat magnetic mines, and laser warning recievers. There is also a new type of radar jamming system to scramble the guidance of incoming radar-guided anti-tank missiles. Basically, you get early 70’s mechanics with 90’s electronics.
Well, but most of western tanks ARE NOT EQUIPED with similar systems. For example, western MBTs are not equiped with active protection systems, autoloader, ATGM missiles.
>while the Russians have never shown a sensitivity to losses in great numbers of mass-produced war machinery.
Your opinion is simply biased, based on not accurate information.
Posted on November 9th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
three letters that render everything above this post useless…EMP… technology is an advantage but also the biggest disadvantage when tanks dont move and planes dont fly satellights are disabled.. that leaves one thing infantry! any engagement between two major powers will be fought with ww2 tactics and technology due to the two nations wiping out each others electronics… o and also wanted to point out that yes the us economy and dollar are huge but that is a weekness aswell since foreign investers control a very large portion of the us econom ( china ve one of the largest) they can dump their shares flooding the economy and plumiting the value of the dollar creating a recession or even depression.. most major powers of the world usa being the worst are forgetting that a single fingure on the hands of individual soldiers are what win wars not a f***ing computer that attempts to do the same thing just overly complicated and expensive.
o now my opinion, no nation today nows how to win a war. its not just the milatary u are fighting in an invasion…its the people and their ideas and beliefs! to win a war you have to be focused on controlling the population and either trying to win their hearts…(that usually works great/sarcasim) or inciting the fear that you will use any means necessary to get them in line.( the nazi germany way) if russia were to invade the us it would fell miserably due to the fact that most american citizens themseves are well armed!! myse;f included
Posted on December 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am
This is most beautifull thing I ever seen and dangerous also but this are not good becouse that
real meaning of wars exactly.
Posted on December 26th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Considering the standoff long range strike ability that the US has, i doubt that these T-90s would get close enough to engage our own Abrams 2 tanks. the air force would just steal all the army’s thunder and just lauch a rain of missiles them before they got within tank gun range. typical of avoiding a head on confrontation if u ask me.
Posted on January 1st, 2010 at 7:42 am
As some one that spent there whole life on the study of military and miltary tatics for years there’s alot of doubt that y’all have towards the US and that’s the wrong to do we are a Country that wholes many secrets and we only put out the one’s we don’t care about other nations knowing about, before you comment on whole wins a war or lose do your study on thing like other then war like the Free masons and history and stuff like that. And see how it all tides together trust no one has it close like the UsA the only treat to US is are Self’s and once we go all HEck will break loose
Posted on January 1st, 2010 at 8:47 pm
>Considering the standoff long range strike ability that the US has, i doubt that these T-90s would get close enough to engage our own Abrams 2 tanks.
Reason why? T-90 is advanced tank (especially new T-90ME variant).
it’s not iraqi “monkey model” T-72 with lack of simple equipment.
>the air force would just steal all the army’s thunder and just lauch a rain of missiles them before they got within tank gun range. typical of avoiding a head on confrontation if u ask me.
Russian tank formations are protected with mobile air defence systems (medium range / close range). So it’s very hard work for air defence – you must include their aircraft losses too.
Posted on January 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
You guys are hilarious discussing who would win,
russia or the u.s
but the truth is they will never fight each other because if one country attacks, the other will reply and has the capability to reply with some 1000’s of nuclear warheads within minutes attacking strategic locations like capital cities, air defences, military bases etc.
And it will escalate into a full nuclear war and the projected casualties is 600,000,000 people dead.
Both sides will not risk that happening and therefore there will not be a war between the us and russia.
but there will always be a war between smaller countries,
after all, as long as ther are people, there are wars.
Posted on February 4th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
War between Russia and the US? And Russia will loose that war? No way. Russia will win. The American army hasn’t won a war since 1945.
Posted on February 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
It is like driving an Honda Accord vs a Ford Taurus. Technology is so close. However, it’s the heart, passion, and courage of the Americans that the Russian will never possess, like the rest of the world. Humans are evil, but Americans do more goods in the world than anyone else.
Posted on February 12th, 2010 at 4:10 am
What about the Russo-Finnish War ( 1939-40 ). Russia sent 400,000 men, tanks and air force to invade Finland. Russia had the advantage to take the country in a month. What happened? Russia lost 200,000 men in that war to Finland’s loss of 25,000 men. In the northern part Russia lost almost all their equipment. The Finns used a new type of warfare: guerrilla warfare on a massive scale. The war ended with a peace treaty. Finland lost some land but not their country.
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Russia may have very impressive equipment but what about the people handling the equipment? In the movie ( Battle of the Bulge ) , Colonel Hesseler said I got the tanks and everything but his driver said what about the men driving the tanks? That part of the movie was fiction but it did drive a point. In Russia, the life expectancy of men is 45 compared with women is 72. Alcoholism and cigarette smoking has taken its toll. 60% of Russian men smoke cigarettes with 40% don’t. In their schools and elsewhere, they don’t teach anything about the dangers of smoking and alcoholism.
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
What about the Russo-Finnish War ( 1939-40 ). Russia sent 400,000 men, tanks and air force to invade Finland. Russia had the advantage to take the country in a month. What happened? Russia lost 200,000 men in that war to Finland’s loss of 25,000 men. In the northern part Russia lost almost all their equipment. The Finns used a new type of warfare: guerrilla warfare on a massive scale. The war ended with a peace treaty. Finland lost some land but not their country.
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Posted on February 28th, 2010 at 6:17 am
I think Russia will win war against the U.S. For simple reason, I like it more.
Posted on March 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Can you reconcile each other and not despise each other
Posted on March 11th, 2010 at 6:07 am
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